S2000 vs Other
#11
My dream has always been a 1965 Shelby Cobra 427 S/C.
But at $350K, a little steep.
So then several years back I considered a Cobra replica. Best at the time was an ERA 427 S/C with a 427 side oiler installed. About $60K.
Then Carroll Shelby announced he was getting back into the Cobra making business with the Shelby Cobra CSX4000 Series. Originally was supposed to be available with a 427 side oiler motor at $75K. This crept up to $80K. Then $90K. Then $100K. Now $125K. This is just too much for a car that you can argue is still not really a Cobra but a replica.
Then I began test driving Corvettes and 911s. Corvettes have great torque but they're put together like sh!t -- typical american car quality. Was about to buy an '89 911 Cabrio but someone bought it out from under me.
Friend reminded me how much I liked the S2000 at the '99 NY Auto Show. Re-read all the reviews in the car magazines (I never throw out old issues). The reviews, my great experience with my two other HMC cars (Legend and 3.2TL), plus my ride-of-a-lifetime with S2000 Owner who lives in the neighboring town, convinced me to go for the S2000.
Haven't regretted it for a second!
[This message has been edited by S2000 Driver (edited January 06, 2001).]
But at $350K, a little steep.
So then several years back I considered a Cobra replica. Best at the time was an ERA 427 S/C with a 427 side oiler installed. About $60K.
Then Carroll Shelby announced he was getting back into the Cobra making business with the Shelby Cobra CSX4000 Series. Originally was supposed to be available with a 427 side oiler motor at $75K. This crept up to $80K. Then $90K. Then $100K. Now $125K. This is just too much for a car that you can argue is still not really a Cobra but a replica.
Then I began test driving Corvettes and 911s. Corvettes have great torque but they're put together like sh!t -- typical american car quality. Was about to buy an '89 911 Cabrio but someone bought it out from under me.
Friend reminded me how much I liked the S2000 at the '99 NY Auto Show. Re-read all the reviews in the car magazines (I never throw out old issues). The reviews, my great experience with my two other HMC cars (Legend and 3.2TL), plus my ride-of-a-lifetime with S2000 Owner who lives in the neighboring town, convinced me to go for the S2000.
Haven't regretted it for a second!
[This message has been edited by S2000 Driver (edited January 06, 2001).]
#13
Originally posted by S2000 Driver:
My dream has always been a 1965 Shelby Cobra 427 S/C.
My dream has always been a 1965 Shelby Cobra 427 S/C.
I've ridden in it.
I think the S2000 probably outhandles the original Cobra and I think their top speeds are similar because the Cobra gets light at 150 mph, but the Cobra probably beats the S2000 by two or THREE seconds, zero to 60 !
#18
Originally posted by S2000 Driver:
Still for a car that's now a 36-year old design, its performance is still awesome even by today's standards!!!
Still for a car that's now a 36-year old design, its performance is still awesome even by today's standards!!!
#19
Originally posted by 2kturkey:
I think the original UK design is about 10 years older than that S2000 Driver. It's my understanding that Shelbey took the AC Cobra (originally ran a 4 cylinder Austin motor) and stuck a bloody huge V8 in it thus creating the massive power to weight ratio of the Shelbey Cobra.
I think the original UK design is about 10 years older than that S2000 Driver. It's my understanding that Shelbey took the AC Cobra (originally ran a 4 cylinder Austin motor) and stuck a bloody huge V8 in it thus creating the massive power to weight ratio of the Shelbey Cobra.
I can tell by your response you are either British or from the British Commonwealth!
To make a very long story short, in 1961 the Bristol Aeroplane Company of England was going out of business and as a result, AC Cars, Ltd., manufacturer of the the AC ACE was losing its engine supplier. In the United States, Ford had just unveiled a small, lightweight V8 engine. Carroll Shelby had the idea that this small block Ford V8 would probably fit between the frame rails and under the hood of the AC ACE. AC would be interested because they were wondering how they were going to keep building cars without engines and Ford was interested because they had just announced their ambitious "Total Performance" competition program -- the idea of a young, hard charging Ford executive named Lee Iacocca -- and mating their new V8 to a lightweight sportscar would quickly lend credibility to their new program.
A lot of people think that the first Cobras were simply AC ACEs with Ford 260 (later 289) cubic-inch engines and Borg Warner T-10 4-speed transmissions bolted to them, but in actual fact the original AC chassis and suspension were only starting points. Virtually everything had to be strengthened or redesigned to handle the Ford V8's additional horsepower. The AC Ace's 6-cylinder put out 135 horsepower. The street Cobra's V8 was rated at double that, and the racing versions produced almost triple!
The 427 Cobra design although somewhat similar in appearance to the 289 was really a completely new car designed by Shelby and Ford engineers. AC merely manufactured the chassis and body following Shelby's specifications and shipped them to Los Angeles for completion by Shelby.
AC's relationship to Shelby regarding the Cobra is similar to Pininfarina's relationship to Ferrari for many of their cars.
It wouldn't be appropriate to call a Ferrari F50 a Ferrari Pininfarina F50 nor would it be appropriate to call a Shelby Cobra a Shelby AC Cobra.