Crazy_Schizo

Isn't that just about the list of all new/redesigned cars for 2012?

Triple-H

Sad news for sure, but, even sadder, not a surprise at all

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They own or did own Civics

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Hyundai can never be a Honda. They can be a bigger, more successful chaebol, but can never be a Honda or replace Honda's achievements.

They need a passionate founder, the ability to time and again pick themselves up by their bootstraps and a history of motor racing.

Just like Lamborghini can never be Ferrari, Hyundai will never be Honda.

Again speaking for myself, I dont have a void in my garage that needs to be filled. Even if there were a used Honda (either an AP1 or CR, or an EP3) would fulfill the need.

Hyundai has great marketing and is making good products, but it lacks the passion that I seek from a brand. Honda could very well sink into oblivion or perhaps turn into a Toyota. When that day comes and all is lost, I may look at Hyundai. For the time being though, I'm happy with the Honda products I own and am glad that I'm not part of the group you are identifying as disappoitned with Honda totally.

Crazy_Schizo

I'm sure the domestic manufacturers said the same thing 30-40 years ago about the Japanese carmakers...

Triple-H

Not entirely sure, Ford Focus seems to have been around for a while, but maybe that's the weird 2012 listing put on the car even though it came out in 2011
Also, the 9th Gen Civic as I understand it is 2012, so it could have been on that list if it is indeed a list of new/redesigned cars for 2012

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2012 North American Truck of the Year:
* BMW X3
* Honda CR-V
* Land Rover Range Rover Evoque
* Mercedes-Benz M-Class
* Mini Countryman
* Nissan Quest
* Saab 9-4X

^ ^ ^ The CR-V was not a new model in 2012 was it?

A 2

You need to read what I said again. Im not putting Hyundai down.

A 2

Wake up call for sure, although it may go unheeded.

Im not surprised Honda is not on the list. All their recent models have received a lot of flak. Even if they started turning things around now it will easily take 5-10 years (two model cycles) before they can get back to where they are.

Triple-H

All I was saying is I'm surprised to see the number of people who are disappointed with Honda, and how interesting it is that many have moved to Hyundai
I'm not denying the greatness of Honda's achievements, after all I own 3 of them
It's just the sadness of their current stuff is a bigger issue than I thought

Triple-H

Respectfully, I would like to believe you are wrong
I would like to believe if they see the light, they can make a change and hit one right out of the park on it's 1st year
But, sadly, I suspect you are right and it will take more tie like you indicated

A 2

I agree. The platforms and ideas are good, the implementation is piss poor and quality is suffering.

On another note my BIL and friends got to drive some exotic cars while in Vegas for a birthday celebration. Of all the cars they drove, the Ferrari 458 Italia was unanimously voted as the best experience ever. List included Gallardo, Murcielago, R8, SLR McLaren and some kind of Aston Martin.

It occurred to me that there has to be something special about the 458 when a half-dozen 40-somethings who have no motorsports experience, unanimously picked the one car over the rest. The only thing common to all is they drive BMW's, granny-style as they have to carry kids in the back.