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Old 10-01-2007, 01:29 PM
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I agree Ben, cars today are pigs. Soemone above thinks 2000 pounds is light. Back in the day, that was the typical weight for an average sports car. Lightweight sports cars weighed 1000 to 1300 pounds.

The only thing getting lighter in cars is the drive train and suspension components. The real answer is to put a modern engine/tranny into an older car and add about another 100-150 pounds beefing up the chassis and brakes.
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I'm looking forward to the US release of BMW's 1 series. the 135i which will have the twin turbo V6 and should come in close to an S's weight.
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Bill's got it right.
I seem to remember that my AH sprite was about 1400 pounds.

ok I looked it up and it was 1566 lbs.
Old 10-01-2007, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by boltonblue,Oct 1 2007, 06:51 PM
Bill's got it right.
I seem to remember that my AH sprite was about 1400 pounds.

ok I looked it up and it was 1566 lbs.
Yea....but I do like my safety.....say you flip a car.....AH or S2000?

When the last gen RX-7 came out....it was 2800ish pounds. Still heavy by old school standards, but much safer too....and 900 lbs less than a M3.
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Isn't all the extra poundage a result of the ever increasing numbers game with HP? The more HP, the bigger the engine, the bigger the suspension, brakes, wheels, differential, stiffer chassis...etc.
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Originally Posted by Cubs2k,Oct 1 2007, 08:12 PM
Yea....but I do like my safety.....say you flip a car.....AH or S2000?
the general recommendations was not to do that sort of thing.
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The new EVO is faster around the track than the old. But I hear ya.
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Originally Posted by Cubs2k,Oct 1 2007, 07:12 PM
Yea....but I do like my safety.....say you flip a car.....AH or S2000?

When the last gen RX-7 came out....it was 2800ish pounds. Still heavy by old school standards, but much safer too....and 900 lbs less than a M3.
I love you Jeff, but you might as well say we should add two wheels to motorcycles because you like vehicles that don't fall down. "I like my saftey" has resulted in a bunch of overweight poser cars that middle aged married guys can drive to the golf course and feel safe. The real sports cars have almost disappeared.
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Originally Posted by JSWhaler,Oct 1 2007, 06:23 PM
I'm looking forward to the US release of BMW's 1 series. the 135i which will have the twin turbo V6 and should come in close to an S's weight.
Not "close" at all. 400 or 500 pounds heavier.
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lets not blame the manufacturers so fast... look at the UK and US elises

the UK spec elise is 1520 lbs and the US spec elise is 1975 because of gov't regulated airbags, A/C, antilock brakes and radio


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