ok... where should i begin...hmm..

First off Greg...I changed my name NOT because of TeamAPX WHATsoever. That is something personal and noway shape or form associated for that.

2nd. I never made myself a leader at all. ABDUL tried that on me and suggested it in the very first meet in Centreville.

3rd, I KNEW this was going to go to shit's.. Seriously... I've been around here long enough to know better. So does Brian. I was totally against the idea, and like Abdul said, i even made fun of it. Why? because again, I knew this was going to happen. Your stepping into different boundaries on MID-A. Yall wanted to create a smaller group WITHIN a group. Now how did you really think it was going to pan out?

Why did i stick around? Because I knew what it was like to be in the shoes the new comer's once were. I've been there, i felt it, felt like the older folks didnt want to have anything to do with me. This was All around the time before you all even came, with alot of the folks that have moved on.. Fortunately I was one of the few that stuck around.

Knowing all of this.. and knowing you felt this way, i felt that i wanted to be there to help you and show you that the older folks are here to help. So you wouldnt feel so left out. Yall wanted to start this, and when the idea arouse and spread word, believe me...The CO's were NOT happy with it. I spoke with Jeff, Bear*keep forgetting your damn name sorry*Brian that can we have permission to try this.

I told Jeff THEN that i would keep an eye on you folks so things dont get outta hand...That is why TeamAPX stuck around as long as it did. Seriously.

I said in the forum as a warning.. I KNEW it was going to hit the fan. You REALLY think i stood there and didnt say anything? WRONG. I got into it with The older Heads......but did you know that? NO. you ASSUMED it. I called Brian, Artin, I called you and you didnt pick up.. hell nobody picked up but brian and Artin called me back.. And i explained to them what was about to happen.. Artin told you this.....I said what i said NOT as a joke, but I was damn serious.

Another thing if you really wanna call me out? ok.. Lets call you out. RULES... THERE ARE NO FOCKING RULES ARE THERE GREG? Did we go back and establish them as a whole team? NO... have we REALLY had a real Meet? The Mod Day? Ok sure.. ONE MEET. There have been a few times where yall got together... but those were usually on a whim. Calling or texting a few hours ahead of time and expecting everyone to come is NOT a true meet Greg..

You said you were a MOD in DCEVO or whatever or Mitsu something...IF you were truly a Mod, then how come this didnt make sense to you.

Doing nothing illegal? no racing? Cmon be real. you can NOT tell me that you havent? hmm? drifting in the parking lots? around corners? High speed driving at night and 2 in the morning? do i have proof? sure.. ask anyone in the Team.. hell i've heard it from OTHER people that i never thought would tell me! Have I done stuff? maybe not NEARLY as much as some but yes i have.. WE ALL have. but to sit there and post that as one of the "rules" and then contradict it is a no go. You wanna be a leader you set the damn example.

Dont also sit there and tell me you havent said "only members can come" because you have said it more than a couple times.. Mainly to Dan. and you subconsciously said it IN the forum about Lake Anna. You say things without even realize your saying Greg. And then you try to cover it up.

If what Artin said was true about he only wanted certain people to come, then it should've never been mentioned. Even Artin said he didnt know why you said it.

Your sitting here saying things such as, "were not hurting anyone, were paying member's " and such. Have you thought that most of mid-a members are paying members as well? its pretty selfish to sit there and think about yourself and only the team when you didnt bother realizing what it could do to the rest of Mid-A.

The whole point was they werent bashing TeamAPX so much, they had a problem of it becoming a clique and its own entity within MID-A.

The new folks coming in see's what.. TEAP APX.. hmm.. whats that, let me see what that is... And if they are new to the forums and they see that, they think its ok. So what happens.. they start chatting it up with the TeamAPX and they think its the end all for s2k'ers to do. So naturally they go to that and try to come to those events.. which really never existed minus the Mod Day. Which again was pretty nice and were greatly indebted to Erik for his hospitality... WHO DOESNT EVEN OWN AN S2000!!! oh but.... S2000's only right? hmm...

What did you say at mod day to me? you wanted to change the name to the Topdowners or something rather... hmm... now lets think about this....You... wanted to change it... Knowing very well that not EVERYONE has an ability to go top down right? so what does that say? exclude any hard top folks? but your all about having "everyone" come and be welcomed right? oh.. but they just cant be in TeamAPX is what your saying right?

I started to hang out less because well.. ITS SOOOO unorganized, anything you plan doesnt get followed through much... and its always last min... how do you expect to be respected and grow if YOU cant even get your shit straight. Who agrees with me? ASK BRIAN.

Another example.. CALENDERS... lets go back to this shall we? Didnt you post something about Calenders for the MID-A? and that it would cost X amount of money? right? hmm... Did you reaaaally follow up on this? no.. you didnt...

When the day finally came for pictures, and i texted you asking about this, you said to be at CHICK-FIL-A.. *got that right Aaron lol* at 12pm right? so I then asked, So your going to be there right? what did you tell me? You and Bobby had something different planned right? at night? away from everyone else? Ok... but ... why? what did you tell me? it was because Bobby was going to be on the front cover right? is that a problem? Hell no.. Bobby has an awesome car and we all know this.... BUT... YOU were asked by him to take pictures with him right? sure.. again.. NOT a problem..


The PROBLEM is this was a MID-A shoot... right? or was it? Now, if other member's of MID-A were paying to get calenders of All the s2k'rs that are IN the Mid-A... would they wanna see only bobby's and your car ont he front cover? maybe, maybe not... should it be fair and have different s2000's or no s2000's? maybe.... and then have all the s2000's on ONE page to show them all together?

But then i asked you about this.. and you just kept wanting me to call the photographer. so i then asked you why does everyone else have to take pictures but not you and bobby... you said it was the photographers idea... i asked do they know its not just any s2000's? its mid-a? hmm...

So i call the photographer.. she had NO clue what you were doing.. NONE.. she said you never called her back? never gave her names? dont know how many people are showing up? NOTHING..... Why is that Greg? did you follow up on it? NO.. and when i confronted you on this.. you got upset... and said "dont tell me how to run this" sure.. no problem... cuz your the leader right? I called Brian, he had NO clue that was your plan.. i called Artin, He said the same... You see.. Whether this may be true or not... but it looks as though, you know the photographer, they agreed to take a pic of Bobby's car and put it on the car, asked you to join, but needed more S2k's to fill in the months so you turned around and posted it in MID-A and called it a MID-A Calender...

I asked you... dont you think maybe you should consult with those in MID-A since its a MID-A thing about how they would feel? you said Why? i'm sure they wouldnt mind... I ASKED THIS AFTER I SPOKE WITH BRIAN AND ARTIN... and believe me.. they were NOT happy with your answer.. but.. you were SOOoo positive they wouldnt care right? is that how you pay attention to your team?

Whether that was tru or not? dont know.. But ask your fellow teammates... Brian and Artin... Did they like that idea? UH NO...You then said... FINE.. YOU CAN BE ON THE COVER WITH BOBBY.... now that blew me away.. cuz you totally missed the point.

So whatever happened to the Calender Greg? did i miss something? because i dont see it happening? i dont see any results?

You know what that photographer said? she wanted to see more s2000's to make it worth her while... Sooooo... what did i do? I POSTED A CHICK-FIL-A MEET.. that EVERYONE can come too... EVERYONE. did everyone come? no ofcourse not. Did a few come? sure! TeamAPX did for sure... and i think a couple others! Hell James who owns a mercedes came out...

I did it because she wanted to see results... was she there? didnt see her? but the bottom line.. IT HAPPENED.....you asked why didnt i update the first page with the members that are going?...............DOES IT MATTER?! NO.. if you wanna show.. show... if not.. ok? but it was there for anyone to come. This is a small meet..

On a big meet like.. the F'burg one, or Jeff's meet at the winery... thats expected cuz money or something to bring was involved... you gotta figure out that difference.

Honestly.. there isnt anything wrong with what we were trying to do... But what happened... it drifted off into la la land... it got outta control. why? because it was unorganized.

reading over the responses over and over it just keeps telling me.. The main point of what everyone is trying to say, is missed.. They arent really saying that the TeamAPX is a bad idea.. no... they are simply saying... putting TeamAPX on mid-a is making its own entitity and Clique... and its seperating the new folks from the old... that has been the problem this whole time. Forget about the charity.. forget about all the bs. Its truly about dividing mid-a. whether you wanna believe it or not.. It's happen.. and yes.. finally.. shit did hit the fan. I said it as a warning.. if you would've been a true leader and listened to your fellow 'teamates" you woudlve questioned it.. i even put forth effort to call a couple folks... yet your gonna sit here and be sorry for feeling that i didnt defend TeamAPX.

Believe me i get shitted on for it as well. BUT they respected it at least enough to "let it be" for a lil while to see how well it goes.. and guess what.. it went to shits...

The other SELFISH thinking that i've always witnessed is.. "I wish the older folks would come see US.." or " i wish they would quit bashing US and get to know US first" or " I wish they would come to help US"... NEWSFLASH.......YOU DONT GO TO SOMEONE'S HOUSE AND DEMAND THEM TO COME UP TO YOU. YOU GREET YOURSELF TO THEM...

Again.. you may not see that and are probably going to have an excuse to that as well. People wanted the MID-A badge for what? at first to sell things? or to say they were apart of the Mid-A... yet... didnt make that much of an effort to EARN it.

Now it got to the point where the mid-a badge dont mean shit now because of that mentality..

To say they Destroyed TeamAPX.. They didnt destroy it.. TeamAPX just didnt respect Mid-A. AAAaand got shitted on...

Believe me......You can say what you wanna say or feel how you wanna feel Greg... But I had my reasons why i say things or do things. Some personal that i saw fit and some because of Mid-A. Can i really try to fight a battle that wont be won? no... Does that mean you run with your tails between your legs? negative. It means that somethings in life are worth fighting for.. Some arent.

Fighting to keep TeamAPX alive is worth fighting for... But you just cant go onto this battle field and expect to win.

You and I but heads. we do.. But its never for hate, or out of true anger. But like i said.. Sometimes you say things that just.......makes me take a step back and ask, Did he really just say that?! And i dont dont blame you.. I'm not your dad. But I do feel that sometimes you just don't realize it so i bring it up to you. That is all... nothing more.. nothing less..

There is NO way ANY members of TeamAPX should feel bad about this.. NONE.. it just simply means, hey..... we tried... the mid-a AS A WHOLE doesnt agree with it, so lets just keep this going but someplace else. Thats it.. Dont feel discouraged... don't feel i let you down, dont feel that i didnt care... Because again believe me... Jeff and Brian, Aaron, Bear...yes i forgot your name lol, hell even Skip Reaaaaally bit their tongue with this...

Over and above all... I fought my way through just like everyone else...Hell there are folks who had it way rougher than I did... but you do what you have to do to and follow the house rules and respect them.. Thats the bottome line...

Keep making TeamAPX stronger.. dont stop... dont accept defeat... just stop... regroup and drive on.

After all of this... there were things i just said that really laid things out on the table the needed to be said. I wanted to talk to yall in person but patience is NOT your best virtue.

Take it or leave it...I've gotten to know all of you, I've had great times when i did come out... We share alot of laughs and fun times. Like i said, you may think what you will.

Allan

 

AMEN!

 

IBTMFL

 

 

i aint gonna lie, i never thought i'd see a calling out thread in mid-a.

 

https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=713932


I got called out before

 

ok so i just lost it

"bring it girly man!!!!!!!!"

"sadface"


THREAD LOCK.

 

No kidding.

 

Allan,

before I say anything else, I wanna make sure you know that I mean just the same thing you said..."we do butt heads but never out of hate"...I don't hate you, you're cool BUT you were there with us the first meet making up our rules...I didn't make APX, I just picked up the original rules Tom and Abdul made...

We had 1 true meet because we were only on here a month...there were no fights, no battles...we never disrespected the Mid-A, we were part of it UNTIL we got called out for the wrong reasons...

there's really no point in going back and forth on this, but on quite a fawking few things you went WAAAAY too far on here...you should know best that I'm probably the MOST preserved driver and only raced ONCE with my s2k (against artin that one night)...

but anyway, I'm not gonna look at you differently, the calendar is still on as it was before...please check back and you'll see that I continuously updated that thread and tried to work it out but NOBODY followed up with me...can't do it without the people who signed up...annie is gonna do a second shot for you guys September sometime...you're welcome to re-organize it, my car is damaged and I don't feel like I wanna be on it anyways man and I dont know about Bobby either...

I only called you out because I felt that you, being the older guy, could defend us and tell the other olders we aren't doing anything bad, but you didnt...I feel bad about it...you know what I feel worse about? you calling me out on the littlest things that you, yourself, know why they happened, etc.

I looked up to you for almost everything you have accomplished and done in your life, I hope we won't become batman and joker because of this, but I felt that you should have been there man...if that's not how you felt, I'm sorry...

APX won't die, never did, it just got taken off of the Mid-A S2ki forums...(and no sir, you never called me on the phone...at all...) Brian and Artin and everybody else were there one way or another...and will remain TeamAPX...

I called you out on this one thing only because of how I felt...you called me out on everything...which was just too out of line...

 

im only going to respond to this because my name was mentioned.


Allan, me "TRYING THAT ON U" was only because for one, you are a staff sargeant and i thought you would be a good leader, and second, because you have been here longer than we have. I never appointed you, you took it on yourself, by setting up our first meet to get things clear. yes alot of the times our 'meets' were just us hangin out gettn somethin to eat or watchin a movie, but thats because we have became friends and we liked just hanging out.

I do appreciate your help on the mod day and for setting that up, and i appreciate erik for lettin us come to his place. so thank you.

and for the second part, of which my name was mentioned, if you knew it would go to shits, why did u even get involved?? you seemed pretty serious about it on our first meet when u had ur speech and put out ur feelings on how we were supposed to act. as a leader, why did u just let shit hit the fan, and not tell us what we were doing to disrespect mid-a?

anyways, im not here to go back and forth on a car forum about who feels disrespected.. im sure we all feel disrespected in some way, s2ki is not supposed to be about this, its about us all having a common interest and helping others out. im just here to have fun, but Allan, i think you did go a little too far and got a little too personal on calling Greg out. hes not a bad guy, and im sure he didnt mean to disrespect the veterans.


teamapx is off of s2ki, lets get back to what really matters: the car we love