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03-27-2015, 11:48 AM
#121
Originally Posted by Mack21' timestamp='1427485443' post='23557321
[quote name='goldenfri' timestamp='1427485304' post='23557317']
Ok, some of the comments on the last page are coming across pretty assholeish and were pissing me off. cover ups and lies? really?
This is my favorite event of the whole year and the idea that people for whatever reason, too cheap, too cool, etc that don't want to pay for it could ruin the event annoys me a lot.
I think there is definitely room for change and improvement, but right before the event is probably not the best time for it. It kind of puts a damper on the excitement with people bitching before the event even starts. I think a pow wow/ round table etc round table at the event is a good idea and it would be great to get more people involved in planning.
Ok, some of the comments on the last page are coming across pretty assholeish and were pissing me off. cover ups and lies? really?
This is my favorite event of the whole year and the idea that people for whatever reason, too cheap, too cool, etc that don't want to pay for it could ruin the event annoys me a lot.
I think there is definitely room for change and improvement, but right before the event is probably not the best time for it. It kind of puts a damper on the excitement with people bitching before the event even starts. I think a pow wow/ round table etc round table at the event is a good idea and it would be great to get more people involved in planning.
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I can hit apexs in my lane... I've been to the dragon before good sir.
03-27-2015, 11:49 AM
#122
Community Organizer
Originally Posted by Ricky_Flowers_' timestamp='1427485533' post='23557323
[quote name='Mack21' timestamp='1427485443' post='23557321']
[quote name='goldenfri' timestamp='1427485304' post='23557317']
Ok, some of the comments on the last page are coming across pretty assholeish and were pissing me off. cover ups and lies? really?
This is my favorite event of the whole year and the idea that people for whatever reason, too cheap, too cool, etc that don't want to pay for it could ruin the event annoys me a lot.
I think there is definitely room for change and improvement, but right before the event is probably not the best time for it. It kind of puts a damper on the excitement with people bitching before the event even starts. I think a pow wow/ round table etc round table at the event is a good idea and it would be great to get more people involved in planning.
[quote name='goldenfri' timestamp='1427485304' post='23557317']
Ok, some of the comments on the last page are coming across pretty assholeish and were pissing me off. cover ups and lies? really?
This is my favorite event of the whole year and the idea that people for whatever reason, too cheap, too cool, etc that don't want to pay for it could ruin the event annoys me a lot.
I think there is definitely room for change and improvement, but right before the event is probably not the best time for it. It kind of puts a damper on the excitement with people bitching before the event even starts. I think a pow wow/ round table etc round table at the event is a good idea and it would be great to get more people involved in planning.
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I can hit apexs in my lane... I've been to the dragon before good sir.
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03-27-2015, 11:54 AM
#123
Originally Posted by Habitforming' timestamp='1427482333' post='23557229
Also I've asked a couple times but no one has offered an answer. Will saving $15-20 really make all of the difference between all of this complaining and everyone being content? In the context of the weekend's cost, that is such a small sum I find it difficult to believe that is all the savings we need. So more to the point of the question - do people want/expect the event to be free?
When Mods and people with a lot of fancy red and gold stars on this page say that I shouldn't register... huge red flag. I'll pay for quality. I'm not a fan of arbitrarily paying for something because it's the thing to do. If the event is improved and the price just so happens to go down as well, even better! It's been said that 67% of the fee goes to the banquet. If we scrap that, we save $40. Take that difference and put it towards another ball park night or an alternative of some sort. I'm sure I'll have better idea's once I get to the dragon again with this group.
I think we don't want to lose Fontana. Example, the Fiat group will be down there the same weekend as us and they are scattered all over the place because their main hotel, called the Tally ho inn is too small and over 30 mins from the Dragon.
I hate to say it, but the fiat group is super organized. Links for reference
https://fs24.formsit...rm15/index.html
https://www.facebook...?ref=ts&fref=ts
We ruffle feathers, Fontana could say, go pound sand and some other group with 100+ cars could swoop in and we could be in big trouble.
I'm not going to lie, the food at the banquet was absolutely horrible. I drove home right after the banquet and I was really worried about food sickness due to the fact the hot food was a room temperature and kinda slimy. I was so hungry after the long day of diving, had a 9 hour drive ahead of me, and I paid my registration fee I held my nose and ate. Any other circumstance I would have skipped the food.
Also, I see a rift between the "new school" and "old school". That will happen. New school wants some change, old school says, if it ain't broken, don't fix it. Hopefully we all will have a common ground concerning the future of this great event and have a mix of tradition with a twist of new ideas that are embraced by the old school guys.
On that note, there is nothing wrong with debate. It will make this event even better.
My question, in the realm of attendance, where does 2015 rank? Thanks.
I hate to say it, but the fiat group is super organized. Links for reference
https://fs24.formsit...rm15/index.html
https://www.facebook...?ref=ts&fref=ts
We ruffle feathers, Fontana could say, go pound sand and some other group with 100+ cars could swoop in and we could be in big trouble.
I'm not going to lie, the food at the banquet was absolutely horrible. I drove home right after the banquet and I was really worried about food sickness due to the fact the hot food was a room temperature and kinda slimy. I was so hungry after the long day of diving, had a 9 hour drive ahead of me, and I paid my registration fee I held my nose and ate. Any other circumstance I would have skipped the food.
Also, I see a rift between the "new school" and "old school". That will happen. New school wants some change, old school says, if it ain't broken, don't fix it. Hopefully we all will have a common ground concerning the future of this great event and have a mix of tradition with a twist of new ideas that are embraced by the old school guys.
On that note, there is nothing wrong with debate. It will make this event even better.
My question, in the realm of attendance, where does 2015 rank? Thanks.
If we lose Fontana, we're nearly an hour's drive from the dragon, and on the wrong side of the dragon from where most of the other great roads are. I LOVE being located right in the middle of it all, and will put up with lowering my expectations for food because of that.
Originally Posted by Ricky_Flowers_' timestamp='1427482851' post='23557252
[quote name='sam_spider' timestamp='1427482312' post='23557227']
[quote name='Habitforming' timestamp='1427482037' post='23557220']
I was talking with someone about this on PM, and am going to go ahead and offer it here.
I think a group of us should get together during the event, probably Saturday following the banquet, to discuss what could be improved and how to proceed in doing so. I'd also like to see some new blood step up and help organize the event, though I'll leave that to Ken and the other official organizers to decide.
Anyone interested in a pow wow?
[quote name='Habitforming' timestamp='1427482037' post='23557220']
I was talking with someone about this on PM, and am going to go ahead and offer it here.
I think a group of us should get together during the event, probably Saturday following the banquet, to discuss what could be improved and how to proceed in doing so. I'd also like to see some new blood step up and help organize the event, though I'll leave that to Ken and the other official organizers to decide.
Anyone interested in a pow wow?
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I'll pow wow. Maybe at, before or after the Mod/CO meeting?
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When/where is the Mod/CO meeting?
Originally Posted by Ricky_Flowers_' timestamp='1427483624' post='23557271
[quote name='Habitforming' timestamp='1427482333' post='23557229']
Also I've asked a couple times but no one has offered an answer. Will saving $15-20 really make all of the difference between all of this complaining and everyone being content? In the context of the weekend's cost, that is such a small sum I find it difficult to believe that is all the savings we need. So more to the point of the question - do people want/expect the event to be free?
Also I've asked a couple times but no one has offered an answer. Will saving $15-20 really make all of the difference between all of this complaining and everyone being content? In the context of the weekend's cost, that is such a small sum I find it difficult to believe that is all the savings we need. So more to the point of the question - do people want/expect the event to be free?
When Mods and people with a lot of fancy red and gold stars on this page say that I shouldn't register... huge red flag. I'll pay for quality. I'm not a fan of arbitrarily paying for something because it's the thing to do. If the event is improved and the price just so happens to go down as well, even better! It's been said that 67% of the fee goes to the banquet. If we scrap that, we save $40. Take that difference and put it towards another ball park night or an alternative of some sort. I'm sure I'll have better idea's once I get to the dragon again with this group.
Let's leave it up to Ken and Andy to decide when they'd like to get together. I'm down to sit down and talk turkey.
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Careful now, don't put Ken and I in the same group! I'm freelancing here and for all I know Ken will be
that I've said some of what I've said!
Originally Posted by Habitforming' timestamp='1427482333' post='23557229
I keep seeing "other events" referenced in pricing comparison. Can some of you give us some actual #'s for these other events - where they're located, what they offer, how much they cost, and so on?
Event Weekend Pass is $50 per FIAT
Includes two meals, t-shirt and name badge laynard!!
$50 per FIAT
REGISTRATION INCLUDES:
(Weekend pass covers driver and passengers for all activities and two dinners)
- Souvenir Event Name Badge Lanyard for Driver (Passenger extras are available)
- Maps and directions with GPS coordinates and meet-up spots for organized drives
- Guided Drives (spirited and relaxed)
- H.P.S.I. sponsored Friday night dinner & Bonfire at the Tally Ho Inn
- Eurocompulsion sponsored FIAT on the Dragon Saturday Night BBQ dinner & Bonfire at the Tally Ho Inn
- One official event T-Shirt (specify size, extras available)
- Three Raffle Tickets for prizes to be drawn on Saturday night
- Bonfires & Social Time at the Tally Ho Inn
- Parking onto Event Field at the Tally Ho Inn
- Official Eurocompulsion Tech assistance
Includes two meals, t-shirt and name badge laynard!!
$50 per FIAT
REGISTRATION INCLUDES:
(Weekend pass covers driver and passengers for all activities and two dinners)
- Souvenir Event Name Badge Lanyard for Driver (Passenger extras are available)
- Maps and directions with GPS coordinates and meet-up spots for organized drives
- Guided Drives (spirited and relaxed)
- H.P.S.I. sponsored Friday night dinner & Bonfire at the Tally Ho Inn
- Eurocompulsion sponsored FIAT on the Dragon Saturday Night BBQ dinner & Bonfire at the Tally Ho Inn
- One official event T-Shirt (specify size, extras available)
- Three Raffle Tickets for prizes to be drawn on Saturday night
- Bonfires & Social Time at the Tally Ho Inn
- Parking onto Event Field at the Tally Ho Inn
- Official Eurocompulsion Tech assistance
In regards to the t-shirt though, I'd really prefer to pay some extra and only have our event logo, rather than having sponsors foot some of the cost and having ads all over my back.
03-27-2015, 11:54 AM
#124
Registered User
I'm far from rich but I have never questioned the price of registration. Is it expensive for what you get in return? Yes it is. That's what Fontana charges not what Ken wants to charge. The banquet is nice and it's nice to have everyone together from all over the country. It's part of the experience. Ever year I leave this event I count down the days until the next one. Leaving with such a positive experience why would I have a issue supporting the event with registering? I have plenty of ugly shirt colors Raul picked out over the years to remind me. Lol
03-27-2015, 12:02 PM
#126
I just have to say you all have completely f@#ked up my day. I've been so busy discussing I've gotten almost no work done 
And also I don't care to see the thread locked. Healthy discussion isn't a bad thing, and hopefully people will find when they get there that their money is well spent.
And also I don't care to see the thread locked. Healthy discussion isn't a bad thing, and hopefully people will find when they get there that their money is well spent.
03-27-2015, 12:04 PM
#127
Originally Posted by SkiLLeDS2000' timestamp='1427123311' post='23551056
When I ask people why don't they go to the dragon, most of them say it's the cost to register. If a breakdown of the cost was available, maybe more people would be willing to register. As long as people have a clear picture, thats good for the community. To mock the question makes no sense to me. Let's stay on topic. My range of people I ask involves the Mid-a, del-Val and NY metro. Pretty large group imo.
Speaking of which, I was at an autocross in DC yesterday and I was the only one to even know about the dragon meet out of all of the S2000 owners. That made me question, how many owners that are enthusiasts have no idea about this meet?
Does this meet even have a FB event page?
Also, ken, in the future, I can get t-shirts for 6-7 bucks wholesale, just pm me and I can send you the info.
Speaking of which, I was at an autocross in DC yesterday and I was the only one to even know about the dragon meet out of all of the S2000 owners. That made me question, how many owners that are enthusiasts have no idea about this meet?
Does this meet even have a FB event page?
Also, ken, in the future, I can get t-shirts for 6-7 bucks wholesale, just pm me and I can send you the info.
I would like to buy you a beer, good sir!And my $0.02 is that I like the Friday night BBQ, it's probably my favorite event (except when I was unprepared for how cold it was).
03-27-2015, 12:20 PM
#128
Originally Posted by Lovetodrive2000' timestamp='1427464565' post='23556730
What the heck is wrong with people...... nobody is making you attend this event... If you don't like the cost, just stay home!
I checked, and my AAA rate was still higher for a lodge room, than the rate that Ken got.
I checked, and my AAA rate was still higher for a lodge room, than the rate that Ken got.
Just flabbergasted how this thread has gone downhill due to a few people.
BTW... you do realize those stars show how long you have been a member of the site don't ya?
I let my membership run out due to some differences in how the site was being ran, when it was sold.
03-27-2015, 12:34 PM
#129
Reading the posts I'm starting to wonder if some complaining have ever been to an event. Nobody is forcing you to attend this event. It can't be an easy thing to organize, and you can never satisfy everyone all the time. The people complaining maybe should try organizing their own event, who knows they might be able to turn a profit.
03-27-2015, 12:38 PM
#130
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Bottom line is that its not about the money. The organizer tried to cancel folk a reservations, was called out on it, then decided to rephrase and claim words were left out. After that proof was given that his new story contradicted what was originally said.
Everyone just go have a nice weekend up there whether you registered or not.
Everyone just go have a nice weekend up there whether you registered or not.