look what you started, GOSH!

 

Tell me about...

 

Rhetoric and no facts.

The fact that you're so ignorant as to write off a car solely based on its layout speaks to your ignorance in performance driving and racing. The ITR and RSX-S and TSX all were extremely quick with the RealTime Acura racing team - they won the manufacturer's and driving championships a number of times against both FWD and RWD competitors (including the vaunted BMW 3-Series, with its "optimal" drivetrain layout).

The fact that you haven't driven one is all that I need to negate your comments. You admit you haven't driven one - enough said. You're clueless and you're arguing against a car you've never driven.

The insults definitely aren't helping your cause. Do you feel cool now that you've cursed and insulted a stranger online? Ooooh - you're a bad man now!

 

Lets just agreed to disagree! Arguing is not what this thread was about! If we are not careful this will turn out just like the Street Encounter threads!

 

Now, I HAVE driven the other 2 acuras you mentioned. Once you actually have some experience driving cars, you will have an expectation of what it will be like to drive a car based on what you see. I dont care what you say or what you have said you have done. Its a high riding, FWD car with roughly 150 hp/ton and no torque, weighing 2600+ lbs. I dont know where you were born but where I come from, thats called a common low end sports car. I dont need to drive the car to know its nothing that special. I dont care who you are or where you have been, there is nothing you can say on this topic that makes that car fast, or make the RSX-S or the TSX fast for that matter. They are not. They are good cars, and I would drive one if I had to, but dont make something out to what it is not.

 

Man, you have me cracking up here.

You're arguing about my comments about how fast an ITR is on a road course and you've never even BEEN on a road course (as a driver)! How laughable is that? I don't need to dispute your "origins of knowledge" - you've already told me that you have none when it comes to racing. Everything is second hand with you.

Furthermore, you cannot name a comparable FWD sport compact car that is a better racing car (off the showroom floor) than the ITR. You SAY you can...but you can't because you originally typed without thinking and have no facts to back you up.

The Eclipse GST (late 90s model, at least) is roughly as quick but it's nowhere near the sports car the ITR is - less stiff, less grip, worse brakes, rougher engine, and nowhere near as nimble. Two friends of mine have them (modified, actually) and they're still nowhere near what an ITR is as a sports car. They're fast in a straight line but they're still pretty oldschool. To be honest, I like them...but not more than an ITR.

You're right - your mad tite street driving skills don't mean a thing to me. You've probably never taken your car over 100mph on a regular basis, much less threshhold braked turn after turn after turn. I'm pretty sure you didn't get much performance driving in your friends ITR as you took him to and from school.

My racing facts? Started driving cars when I was fourteen. Raced on ice with my Dad in the unlimited class in a Porsche 944 and in the spec series in a Mazda RX-7. Drove a Datsun Z car with a transplanted V8 as well, which was quite an experience. I raced on the road course at the airport in Edmonton primarily in the Porsche 944. I've also driven the ITR and a 930 911 Turbo on that track (owned by Jack Ondrack, a good friend of my father, who also happened to win the Open Track Challenge in a bastardized Porsche 914 back in 2002). I've been riding bikes (dirt and street) since I was 8 though I've never gotten around to road racing them.

Honestly, who's providing facts and who's spouting gibberish? I've got experience (on the track) AND on the street. You have limited street experience and no track experience.

 

This thread is funny on so many levels.

Saying that the ITR is "pretty standard" is just wrong. Maybe by today's standards, but how many cars were around in 96 that were lightweight and had almost 200hp coming out of a 1.8l engine? Yeah, today there's lots of cars with more power. But you know what, same goes for the S2000. When that came out in 99, 240hp from 2.0l was unheard of.

Times and technology change. Of course taking a car thats 10 years old now and saying its no longer a good car will work when you look at numbers on paper. Look at autocross though. One of the only motorsports where speeds are fairly normal for street usage. There's not many cars that when they're 10 years old can still win a national championship in its class, but the ITR manages to beat up on WRX's, BMW's and other cars that, on paper, should be better than the Type R.

This whole thread is based on opinions. Some people like the car, some dont. . .doesnt mean we have to say its a bad car that only idiots "with an IQ below 70" would enjoy driving. My opinion is the ITR is a great FWD car. Don't have to agree with me, but you can't say I'm wrong either.

 

My god I see this is going on a never ending cycle, so I might as well continue till it gets closed. Limited Street experiance? Ok since when did someone have to be a certified track racer to have knowledge of how a car handle and reacts. Maybe I'm wrong when I that most people who buy a car from a dealership don't buy it to track it. They are interested in the real world(street situations), performance. This is the aspect that I'm expressing my opinion about. I wish I could have grown up with a silver spoon in my mouth, riding my dad's coat tails on the local racing circuit, but we never had the $$$. I have been driving since I was 14 also, I also rode dirt bikes, and street bikes. As a matter of fact I got my first dirt bike when I was 6, a Honda 50. I have pushed more cars through their paces in street situation than I care to explain. I been over a 100mph several times, as a matter of fact I have been 182mph in a car on the street. Here in the Carolina S2000 club we routinly have meets where we have spirited drives, which frequently reach thriple digit speeds. The biggest difference I see between the road course and street is the quality of the pavement, and the consequences for you actions. Im not trying to promote, driving like a maniac in the street, by when your young you dont listen. I would be willing to put my backwoods country road, dirt track drving skills against your road racing skills anyday I still havent heard any cold hard facts from you, by the way! All you keep saying is ITR is god, beats everything in the world....blah...blah...blah

 

[QUOTE=CobraTi,Feb 16 2007, 11:58 AM] This thread is funny on so many levels.

Saying that the ITR is "pretty standard" is just wrong.

 

[QUOTE=s2kmaniac81,Feb 16 2007, 10:20 AM]My god I see this is going on a never ending cycle, so I might as well continue till it gets closed.