Originally Posted by C7 JFW

Rather than what looks nasty, what goes like stink and is amazing despite being diesel and other things which are never compared for obvious reasons. Oh, and the person who thinks 2wd is so usable daily that there's virtually no reason to require 4wd.


So.. any updates on the car this is written about? The only Golf I'm likely to purchase as a replacement for my Golf?

Originally Posted by s2k4tony

Depends on your monthly outgoings. I get 20mpg better than the R, even more if its delicately wafted. The more spirited drives = low 40's. Then spirited drives in the R = low 20's, perhaps below that into the teens. The car will work it all out for you on its fancy computer.
You'll save a wedge more in the GTD, period. You'll get bored more though. In respect of that, it's all round economy versus fun for the cost £'s equation. We'd be spending more in fuel with an R, more tax (£20 a year in GTD versus £185), higher insurance (£200 a year more) and we only WANT to afford that in a couple of years. We like nice holidays, at the moment running an R would intervene that what with our nursery bills (which are soon to finish). I've no doubt we will turn our back on diesel when we feel it right to in 2 years time as our main car. We wanted something new that was very frugal, looked gorgeous and had a beautiful interior, 4 doors and when it wanted to be, plenty quick. It ticked the boxes. Fun comes last, but, all the same - fun does exist just 'cos its nippy especially in the mid range and helped with its faux trick diff at the twisties. I've driven it 90%, the thing just won't understeer!
I suspect that if you're stupid, you'll drive a lease car at 100% when it's not yours (and by the sounds of it, some bird brains are remapping them EVEN understanding that on VAG service, it can be sniffed out by software if the ECU has been compromised. The age old joke is that because its not yours, "drive it like you stole it" but I always take care of what I borrow.


Ultimately , it IS a mk7 diesel wearing a GTi kit after all with a utilitarian engine (so its a bit fake in a sense of a performance car). Its lukewarm fun, it is much, much better to drive than older dervs from the VAG stable, honest. Pretty planted, surefooted and has little lag which is the surprise for a single turbo diesel. I'm not into remapping anymore, I understand the temptation of it and I did it to my old tdi 130, UP TO 180 BHP. I wouldn't consider it now - If I want outright performance i'd go GTI/R within the VW stable, or something else. Why didn't I opt for the slightly cheaper and 5mpg better tdi 150 bluemotion? Looks a bit drab, equipment not the same and verges on a bit ordinary. I'm not interested in the plain looks - we have one of those already with our mk5.

I'll admit, at times I wish it was drinking different fuel and the shame of saying that - for a diesel, its gobsmackingly good. Overall, as a package for what we wanted as a family of four, its exactly the car we wanted since test driving one. Now our mk5 tdi feels like a tank in comparison!

Its a bargain for less than £200 a month. Boring for most, but we like it.

Originally Posted by s2k4tony

4wd these days is largely irrelevant. Helpful in 8 inches of snow for added traction, helpful for traffic light launches

Originally Posted by jml

Depends on your monthly outgoings. I get 20mpg better than the R, even more if its delicately wafted. The more spirited drives = low 40's. Then spirited drives in the R = low 20's, perhaps below that into the teens. The car will work it all out for you on its fancy computer.
You'll save a wedge more in the GTD, period. You'll get bored more though. In respect of that, it's all round economy versus fun for the cost £'s equation. We'd be spending more in fuel with an R, more tax (£20 a year in GTD versus £185), higher insurance (£200 a year more) and we only WANT to afford that in a couple of years. We like nice holidays, at the moment running an R would intervene that what with our nursery bills (which are soon to finish). I've no doubt we will turn our back on diesel when we feel it right to in 2 years time as our main car. We wanted something new that was very frugal, looked gorgeous and had a beautiful interior, 4 doors and when it wanted to be, plenty quick. It ticked the boxes. Fun comes last, but, all the same - fun does exist just 'cos its nippy especially in the mid range and helped with its faux trick diff at the twisties. I've driven it 90%, the thing just won't understeer!
I suspect that if you're stupid, you'll drive a lease car at 100% when it's not yours (and by the sounds of it, some bird brains are remapping them EVEN understanding that on VAG service, it can be sniffed out by software if the ECU has been compromised. The age old joke is that because its not yours, "drive it like you stole it" but I always take care of what I borrow.


Ultimately , it IS a mk7 diesel wearing a GTi kit after all with a utilitarian engine (so its a bit fake in a sense of a performance car). Its lukewarm fun, it is much, much better to drive than older dervs from the VAG stable, honest. Pretty planted, surefooted and has little lag which is the surprise for a single turbo diesel. I'm not into remapping anymore, I understand the temptation of it and I did it to my old tdi 130, UP TO 180 BHP. I wouldn't consider it now - If I want outright performance i'd go GTI/R within the VW stable, or something else. Why didn't I opt for the slightly cheaper and 5mpg better tdi 150 bluemotion? Looks a bit drab, equipment not the same and verges on a bit ordinary. I'm not interested in the plain looks - we have one of those already with our mk5.

I'll admit, at times I wish it was drinking different fuel and the shame of saying that - for a diesel, its gobsmackingly good. Overall, as a package for what we wanted as a family of four, its exactly the car we wanted since test driving one. Now our mk5 tdi feels like a tank in comparison!

Its a bargain for less than £200 a month. Boring for most, but we like it.

Originally Posted by cheshire_carper

Depends on your monthly outgoings. I get 20mpg better than the R, even more if its delicately wafted. The more spirited drives = low 40's. Then spirited drives in the R = low 20's, perhaps below that into the teens. The car will work it all out for you on its fancy computer.
You'll save a wedge more in the GTD, period. You'll get bored more though. In respect of that, it's all round economy versus fun for the cost £'s equation. We'd be spending more in fuel with an R, more tax (£20 a year in GTD versus £185), higher insurance (£200 a year more) and we only WANT to afford that in a couple of years. We like nice holidays, at the moment running an R would intervene that what with our nursery bills (which are soon to finish). I've no doubt we will turn our back on diesel when we feel it right to in 2 years time as our main car. We wanted something new that was very frugal, looked gorgeous and had a beautiful interior, 4 doors and when it wanted to be, plenty quick. It ticked the boxes. Fun comes last, but, all the same - fun does exist just 'cos its nippy especially in the mid range and helped with its faux trick diff at the twisties. I've driven it 90%, the thing just won't understeer!
I suspect that if you're stupid, you'll drive a lease car at 100% when it's not yours (and by the sounds of it, some bird brains are remapping them EVEN understanding that on VAG service, it can be sniffed out by software if the ECU has been compromised. The age old joke is that because its not yours, "drive it like you stole it" but I always take care of what I borrow.


Ultimately , it IS a mk7 diesel wearing a GTi kit after all with a utilitarian engine (so its a bit fake in a sense of a performance car). Its lukewarm fun, it is much, much better to drive than older dervs from the VAG stable, honest. Pretty planted, surefooted and has little lag which is the surprise for a single turbo diesel. I'm not into remapping anymore, I understand the temptation of it and I did it to my old tdi 130, UP TO 180 BHP. I wouldn't consider it now - If I want outright performance i'd go GTI/R within the VW stable, or something else. Why didn't I opt for the slightly cheaper and 5mpg better tdi 150 bluemotion? Looks a bit drab, equipment not the same and verges on a bit ordinary. I'm not interested in the plain looks - we have one of those already with our mk5.

I'll admit, at times I wish it was drinking different fuel and the shame of saying that - for a diesel, its gobsmackingly good. Overall, as a package for what we wanted as a family of four, its exactly the car we wanted since test driving one. Now our mk5 tdi feels like a tank in comparison!

Its a bargain for less than £200 a month. Boring for most, but we like it.

Originally Posted by Nottm_S2

I was being facietious but i get your point entirely

I think Chesh is just envoius of the ability to do 70 miles without involving a flatbed