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07-27-2011, 04:45 AM
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you could argue the above point for the vast majority of motoring offences, aside from where a collision occurs
it is not a valid argument though IMO just because no-one suffered as a result; they MAY have, although I note that your speed was not "excessive"
and this isn't to say I do not speed, 99.9% of the population do
the cameras are also set to allow for degree above the legal limit, although this varies between counties
simple fact though, if you are caught by a (fixed) camera you are not paying enough attention
it is not a valid argument though IMO just because no-one suffered as a result; they MAY have, although I note that your speed was not "excessive"
and this isn't to say I do not speed, 99.9% of the population do
the cameras are also set to allow for degree above the legal limit, although this varies between counties
simple fact though, if you are caught by a (fixed) camera you are not paying enough attention
07-27-2011, 04:47 AM
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Its not excessive speed that kills, its inappropriate speed and the subsequent loss of control that kills.
07-27-2011, 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by unclefester' timestamp='1311770521' post='20819871
If i was on my way to a seriously ill family member, i'd drive like hell and if i lost my license in the process i'd not blink twice about it. However if i killed someone on the way due to excessive speed, would that justify my actions - no.
Its not excessive speed that kills, its inappropriate speed and the subsequent loss of control that kills.
It's not a matter of appropriate at that point. If you want to enjoy appropriate speed, get away from the safety cameras - plenty of great roads unspoilt by them.
07-27-2011, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by unclefester' timestamp='1311770521' post='20819871
If i was on my way to a seriously ill family member, i'd drive like hell and if i lost my license in the process i'd not blink twice about it. However if i killed someone on the way due to excessive speed, would that justify my actions - no.
Its not excessive speed that kills, its inappropriate speed and the subsequent loss of control that kills.
tell you what.........
go and knock on the door of the parents of the 6 year old who was knocked off her bike and seriously injured just yards from her house
she will be in a wheelchair for the rest of her life and has brain damage.
it is a ruined life and impacts everyone around her
the driver was speeding, but not excessively, if he was within the legal limit he MAY have reacted in time
see if your argument holds any water with them
07-27-2011, 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by lower' timestamp='1311770853' post='20819884
[quote name='unclefester' timestamp='1311770521' post='20819871']
If i was on my way to a seriously ill family member, i'd drive like hell and if i lost my license in the process i'd not blink twice about it. However if i killed someone on the way due to excessive speed, would that justify my actions - no.
If i was on my way to a seriously ill family member, i'd drive like hell and if i lost my license in the process i'd not blink twice about it. However if i killed someone on the way due to excessive speed, would that justify my actions - no.
Its not excessive speed that kills, its inappropriate speed and the subsequent loss of control that kills.
tell you what.........
go and knock on the door of the parents of the 6 year old who was knocked off her bike and seriously injured just yards from her house
she will be in a wheelchair for the rest of her life and has brain damage.
it is a ruined life and impacts everyone around her
the driver was speeding, but not excessively, if he was within the legal limit he MAY have reacted in time
see if your argument holds any water with them
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If he couldn't react in time then his speed was inappropriate.
I'd also have to ask why he hit the child. Did the child lose control and swerve into his path or did he just not see her?
07-27-2011, 05:22 AM
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his speed was inappropriate because he was driving in excess of the speed limit
had he been within the limit, could and would he have reacted in time ?
he would have stood a better chance........... no argument
quiet residential street, 30 MPH posted limit, the child emerged in front of a parked car and into his path
it's all very well posting on here about speed and being relatively flippant about it (that's not a dig at you, I speed on occasion and acknowledge that, but never in a built up area)
it is very sobering when you see and deal with the aftermath (which is not limited to the minutes and hours after the fact)
next time you catch yourself speeding think of someone you know and love (I appreciate Gad's sentiments and his circumstances were exceptional)
imagine them in this situation and see if you can justify your actions
had he been within the limit, could and would he have reacted in time ?
he would have stood a better chance........... no argument
quiet residential street, 30 MPH posted limit, the child emerged in front of a parked car and into his path
it's all very well posting on here about speed and being relatively flippant about it (that's not a dig at you, I speed on occasion and acknowledge that, but never in a built up area)
it is very sobering when you see and deal with the aftermath (which is not limited to the minutes and hours after the fact)
next time you catch yourself speeding think of someone you know and love (I appreciate Gad's sentiments and his circumstances were exceptional)
imagine them in this situation and see if you can justify your actions
07-27-2011, 06:09 AM
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his speed was inappropriate because he was driving in excess of the speed limit
had he been within the limit, could and would he have reacted in time ?
he would have stood a better chance........... no argument
quiet residential street, 30 MPH posted limit, the child emerged in front of a parked car and into his path
it's all very well posting on here about speed and being relatively flippant about it (that's not a dig at you, I speed on occasion and acknowledge that, but never in a built up area)
it is very sobering when you see and deal with the aftermath (which is not limited to the minutes and hours after the fact)
next time you catch yourself speeding think of someone you know and love (I appreciate Gad's sentiments and his circumstances were exceptional)
imagine them in this situation and see if you can justify your actions
had he been within the limit, could and would he have reacted in time ?
he would have stood a better chance........... no argument
quiet residential street, 30 MPH posted limit, the child emerged in front of a parked car and into his path
it's all very well posting on here about speed and being relatively flippant about it (that's not a dig at you, I speed on occasion and acknowledge that, but never in a built up area)
it is very sobering when you see and deal with the aftermath (which is not limited to the minutes and hours after the fact)
next time you catch yourself speeding think of someone you know and love (I appreciate Gad's sentiments and his circumstances were exceptional)
imagine them in this situation and see if you can justify your actions
However, when i was at school we were taught the green cross code and TV was full of adverts designed to warn children to look before they cross. I don't see those adverts any more and as per your example above, it seems it's automatically the driver's fault for hitting the child who didn't look before stepping out into the driver's path.
07-27-2011, 06:25 AM
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Fault, blame, call it what you like, in this case it was a set of circumstances
And speed was a factor
The end result was the same; a ruined life
Unfortunately, people (and children in particular) do not always think before acting
The same can be said for speeding, as I've tried to highlight
If this falls on deaf ears so be it, I just hope you never experience a similar situation
Happy motoring
And speed was a factor
The end result was the same; a ruined life
Unfortunately, people (and children in particular) do not always think before acting
The same can be said for speeding, as I've tried to highlight
If this falls on deaf ears so be it, I just hope you never experience a similar situation
Happy motoring
07-27-2011, 06:35 AM
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If god forbid I ever hit anyone .... i'd feel mortified enough irrespective of 'fault' and the slower you are going when you hit them the greater chance they have of surviving - i'm all for 30mph in residential areas, eyes peeled and pay attention to parked cars - anyone that drives around giving less than 100% attention is a liability.