Nick Graves

They also drive like they're stoned anyway - too carefully & slowly to hit anything.

m1bjr

If a family member was on their death bed, are you telling me you'd not try and make the world spin in the other direction to get there?
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Not so Black and White now.
Is it.

unclefester

If a family member was on their death bed, are you telling me you'd not try and make the world spin in the other direction to get there?
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Yes it is.

If you get nicked on the way there doing whatever speed over the legal limit you have no more excuse in the eyes of the law than anyone else, if it's a camera ..even less so. Either way you 'man up' and take it on the chin.

The responsibility for your chosen actions is yours and yours alone - that's it ... black and white, no shades of grey.

gaddafi

so, undertaking in the US (and maybe more places) - works fine there but wouldn't work here
reducing road markings - works fine in Holland but wouldn't work here
no speed limit - works fine on the Autobahn but wouldn't work here

what would work here?

speed cameras

right

unclefester

Bless you

It must be difficult though, as the eyes age and the responses slow down ... spotting speed limit signs and those nasty bright yellow boxes they insist on hiding.

Perhaps it's time to get a chauffer .......

earl's_f20c

Absolutley, this is the problem with cameras, you cannot talk to them. At least if you get pulled by a cop you can explain your situation; when I was young(er) I managed to talk my way out of a couple of sticky situations by talking to the officer.

This human element (and no, magistrates are not really human ) is sadly lacking these days and I presume it will only get worse as automation takes more control, and less police due to spending cuts.

T2 anyone? Skynet is where we are heading with this one lol won't be long before we all have GPS trackers that ticket/debit us £x for every 1 mph over the limit. (or driving in an environmentally unsound manner)

LTB

I'll pretend that you aren't trying to peronalise the debate, as once you do that you lose a lot of your credibility.

So it seems as if you're saying that old people should be banned/restricted as they are a bit of a menace on the roads.

Great idea, I agree wholeheartedly and whilst we're at it why not ban sports cars ? They are the ones that go fast aren't they ?

unclefester

Nope not personalising it - possibly a hint of tongue in cheek but that's fine here.

It doesn't seem that at all because that's not what I said. I suggested that if someone has had enough of negotiating speed cameras and the like then there are other options open to them.

That said, if you can't be bothered to check the camera databases, if you struggle to see speed limit signs, can't see the cameras or just cannot be bothered to stick to the speed limits then you really have no excuse if you get caught.

if you drive for a living and don't have a camera detector fitted - get one.

if you want to enjoy driving on roads that don't have cameras, do a recce run first to check out your intended route.

If you get nabbed doing 7mph over the posted limit because, in your own words, your speed wandered because you were concentrating on something else then you still have only yourself to blame.

Otherwise it's just carping about something which you DO have 100% control over

Some late statistics for you those of you who like that kind of thing ..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ted_death_rate

We are lower than Germany and far lower than Holland, the only lower one of relevance is Sweden and they are far far FAR stricter with both road laws and vehicle regulations,.

GREGSTERWIZ

I don't recall anyone saying that speed cameras DO work, although it could be argued that SPECS do, if only to reduce speeds where they are present and drivers are awake

The US also allow turning left against a red signal but we have a fundamentally different roads system here. And don't forget the speed limit in the US is 55 MPH.

Reducing road markings would cause more "accidents" here. It may be more suitable to compare India with its general lack of road markings, congestion and road fatality rate.

There is a good argument for raising the motorway speed limit though IMO, if only to apply at "quiet" times

I do not think this would help to REDUCE casualty figures BTW, it just appears to be an out-dated limit and how many people actually stick to 70 on the motorway anyway ?

Marksmen picking off speeders would probably solve the speeding issue. Wouldn't do much for the casualty stats though.

lower

Its not a ridiculous suggestion.

It is a measured fact that congestion reduces in areas where the traffic lights have failed.