Marshal killed at Oulton Park
04-24-2006, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by The Woman,Apr 24 2006, 06:21 PM
Frankly your post was a disgrace as it sounded like you suspected that guy of having been one of the few bad ones.
Originally Posted by Bada Bing!,Apr 22 2006, 03:20 PM
That's not a reflection on this guy, just a general observation.
04-24-2006, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Bada Bing!,Apr 22 2006, 02:20 PM
That's not a reflection on this guy, just a general observation.
It is a risky business, some people possibly don't take it as seriously as they should. The problem with volunteers is that sometimes you get what you pay for.
At the end of the day the guy had some terrible luck, I don't think BB was even suggesting it was the guys own fault, however I am concerned about a job with such obvious risk being done on an unpaid basis.
As for all the "your post was a disgrace" type comments, the post was not unreasonable in my opinion.
Careful you don't fall off that high horse
04-24-2006, 11:14 AM
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Well, for my part, the point of the thread was twofold -
a) to "report" if you like, that someone had been killed while marshalling and that it was an unfortunate instance (which no one is disagreeing with obviously)
but yes, also b) to generate some discussion re safety trackside, both in terms of marshalling, spectating and, more crucially for me, photography (seeing as I'm in the process of joining the NUJ and should be getting a press card)
a) to "report" if you like, that someone had been killed while marshalling and that it was an unfortunate instance (which no one is disagreeing with obviously)
but yes, also b) to generate some discussion re safety trackside, both in terms of marshalling, spectating and, more crucially for me, photography (seeing as I'm in the process of joining the NUJ and should be getting a press card)
04-24-2006, 12:31 PM
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That's what I assumed, mate. I don't take you for the type of person who wept at Diana's televised funeral, whilst listening to the "Candle in the Wind" CD single on repeat. I too thought we might have the type of discussion you just described. Silly me! 
04-24-2006, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by grahamb,Apr 24 2006, 07:14 PM
Well, for my part, the point of the thread was twofold -
a) to "report" if you like, that someone had been killed while marshalling and that it was an unfortunate instance (which no one is disagreeing with obviously)
but yes, also b) to generate some discussion re safety trackside, both in terms of marshalling, spectating and, more crucially for me, photography (seeing as I'm in the process of joining the NUJ and should be getting a press card)
a) to "report" if you like, that someone had been killed while marshalling and that it was an unfortunate instance (which no one is disagreeing with obviously)
but yes, also b) to generate some discussion re safety trackside, both in terms of marshalling, spectating and, more crucially for me, photography (seeing as I'm in the process of joining the NUJ and should be getting a press card)
I would expect it is as dangerous for photographers as Marshalls.
04-24-2006, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by AquilaEagle,Apr 24 2006, 10:22 PM
Do you have to declare that you marshall at such events to your life insurers?
but i did give it up after many years, and not just because of the danger - the worst i had was when the engine of a vintage car exploded: shrapnel rained all around. I gave up due to the long hours and in all weathers. Best events were always the clubs ones, really didnt care for F1 and it drivers with their heaqds up their arses : cus mansell
Marshall's are strictly voluntary, have to go out in all hours and have very early starts, with many travelling the length of the country to do so, with little thanks. The nice part is when the drivers acknowedge you after the race. pity more spectators dont.
sorry to hear of the loss for this guys family. If it wasnt for Marshal's, there would be no legal racing. period.
04-25-2006, 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by MarkB,Apr 25 2006, 01:31 AM
Put your handbag away Bada.
The guy that died was a club marshal. How much experience do you have of marshalling at club events?
None? Been as a spectator once perhaps?
Or just like to make sure everyone hears your uninformed opinions and no-one questions them?
I'm the last one here to become sentimental, but I do have a fair amount of experience of club racing, and have had reason to be thankful of marshals on several occasions. These are the people who arrive at the track early in the morning, stand around all day, often in the pissing rain and be the last to leave the circuit. They don't do it to watch free racing, most club events are only a tenner to get into, and most people just get one of the competitors free tickets anyway. They perform a service to the sport they love, and are in danger doing so but they accept that, they also want to do a good job.
It may be the case at F1 and WRC events, where the cost of tickets is now so high that some might see marshalling as a cheap way to get in, but in this case we were talking about a club event - and you were talking from an uninformed viewpoint.
Get over yourself and stop whining.
The guy that died was a club marshal. How much experience do you have of marshalling at club events?
None? Been as a spectator once perhaps?
Or just like to make sure everyone hears your uninformed opinions and no-one questions them?
I'm the last one here to become sentimental, but I do have a fair amount of experience of club racing, and have had reason to be thankful of marshals on several occasions. These are the people who arrive at the track early in the morning, stand around all day, often in the pissing rain and be the last to leave the circuit. They don't do it to watch free racing, most club events are only a tenner to get into, and most people just get one of the competitors free tickets anyway. They perform a service to the sport they love, and are in danger doing so but they accept that, they also want to do a good job.
It may be the case at F1 and WRC events, where the cost of tickets is now so high that some might see marshalling as a cheap way to get in, but in this case we were talking about a club event - and you were talking from an uninformed viewpoint.
Get over yourself and stop whining.
In fairness to Bada & a few others here have acknowledged the fact, he did caveat his comment by stating it didn't refer to this particular guy. And as others have pointed out he does have a point. Some people need to take a minute & chill out or something. To read something into a written comment without the benefits of face to face contact & body language etc is plain daft.
If this thread was started as an 'in memorium' thread for the guy then it should have been stated as such so that users understood opinions weren't needed or warranted.
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