Subaru2000

[QUOTE=Bada Bing!,Jun 23 2008, 07:57 PM]Raikkonen, Hill, and Hakkinen are 3 just as recent champs who aren't complete c0cks.

LTB

Non sequitur anybody ?

Subaru2000

If you want to disagree fine, but don't try and undermine me by pointing out my piss poor grammar, it's not clever.

LTB

A non sequitur has nothing to do with grammar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_%28logic%29

Subaru2000

Your definition is slightly different to mine

http://www.answers.com/Non%20sequitur

LTB

I just thought that it was a bit bizarre that you can say that Hamilton is no where near as good as Alonso and then in the next sentence you go on to say that Hamilton beat Alonso by 2 points in the championship.

I think some people need to be consistent. When Hamilton does something quite impressive such as finishing second in the championship in his rookie year, beating 2 times world champion Alonso in the same car, well that couldn't possibly be anything to do with him, it must be Alonso, or Ron Dennis or the car or whatever conspiracy theory people want to invent.

When Hamilton does something incredibly stupid however, such as spouting inane gibberish to his buddies at ITV or smashing into the back of Raikkonen in the pit lane, well that is 100% his fault.

So he's fecked if he does and fecked if he don't.

For the record I'm with those who are getting sick of his self worship, but I firmly believe that he has the talent.

gtman

The same can be said about a lot of the new young drivers. I just think Hamilton was very lucky to be driving the Mclaren last year when they were the dominant team for most of the season. Before this season started and based on Mclaren's performance last year I thought Lewis Hamilton would walk it this year but he hasn't.

Given a good, reliable car even an average F1 driver will look good, just take a look at Damon Hill back in the 90s when Williams were dominating F1. I don't believe people will claim that Damon Hill was a brilliant driver but partly due to the dominance of the team he won the championship.

It would be really interesting to see how good other drivers actually are if they were given the opportunity to drive a Mclaren or Ferrari. I would like to see just how good Mark Webber is in a dominant car because his lap of the Top Gear circuit in wet conditions was far more impressive than the lap by Lewis Hamilton.

LTB

Agreed, but how do you explain his performances against Alonso last season ?

RISLAR

I belive a man of his standing only gets there by having a one tracked mind, win at all cost. Now if anybody starts with that attitude you will automaticly hear people say your arrogant, and they are right!!! It takes so much dedication to be that good, that its inevitable that you will become a self centered arrogant person. Lewis is an AWSOME driver and we should just thank our lucky stars that he is a brit, end of....

Dembo

He wasn't lucky. He tested the McLaren, along with Gary Paffit and Pedro de La Rosa, and Ron & co. made a decision on who was the best driver at their disposal, and it looks like they chose right. McLaren weren't stuck for choice; every driver (with the possible exception of Massa and Raikonnen) would have wanted that seat.

And McLaren weren't the dominant team. In case you've forgotten, Ferrari won both championships.