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Old 11-08-2007, 10:38 PM
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Coulthard has been superb at Red Bull.

He suffered Alonso's fate at McLaren - always being partnered by Ron's golden boys.

Webber has been crap in comparison.

This could be a tricky year for Hamilton, as he'll likely be number one driver and has little experience of setting up an F1 car, especially if it turns out to be slower than the Ferraris. An established driver like Coulthard brought in to help him and teach him the ropes could be invaluable.

Having said that I think Red Bull are going to be quick this year. They've built up a formidible team.
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Originally Posted by Bassoctopus,Nov 9 2007, 07:38 AM
Having said that I think Red Bull are going to be quick this year. They've built up a formidible team.
Quick but fragile.

A Newey signature I'm affraid.
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I seem to remember the Williams 94-96 car to be pretty reliable
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I thought Newey was mainly an aerodynamacist. And the aerodynamics seldom break.
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True.

But I think Newey is in charge of the design team now...

Was Patrick Head not the engineering/design head honcho with that car?

Not really too sure but his record at McLaren for reliability was woeful.
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I thought the idea was it was easier to make a quick car more reliable.. than a reliable car quick..

and newey has a big an impact on reliability.. because aero is a lot about packaging everything into the minimum of space.. and disrupting airflow the least..
for example, how thin do you want to go on a wishbone profile and where to attach it to the chassis..
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Originally Posted by Kobe,Nov 9 2007, 07:00 PM
I thought the idea was it was easier to make a quick car more reliable.. than a reliable car quick..

and newey has a big an impact on reliability.. because aero is a lot about packaging everything into the minimum of space.. and disrupting airflow the least..
for example, how thin do you want to go on a wishbone profile and where to attach it to the chassis..
It's the other way round!

I do have to agree on Newey. He's very much of the Chapman school of thought, that a fast car that can do more than a race distance is over-engineered. Unfortunately Newey doesn't seem to have found the happy medium.
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Originally Posted by Bada Bing!,Nov 9 2007, 08:39 PM
He's very much of the Chapman school of thought, that a fast car that can do more than a race distance is over-engineered.
though any engineer worth his salt should think the same about anything they design..
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Originally Posted by Bassoctopus,Nov 9 2007, 07:38 AM
Having said that I think Red Bull are going to be quick this year. They've built up a formidible team.
I think you maybe right. We finally have a good design and production team in place and are doubling up on staff in the composite section at the moment, RB are really splashing the cash for results.

We have a brand new production facility that we are just moving into now and is 3 times the size of our last factory space. They are really going for the podiums next year.

In the 9 years i have worked there (Stewart, Jag and Red Bull) this is the first time i have felt like we are going places.
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Good luck. It would be great to see RB do well.

Do you think you'll get Alonso?


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