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Old 01-27-2012, 01:17 AM
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wartburg 353 1.3.
Old 01-27-2012, 02:29 AM
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Nah, you want the original stroker for the truly bizarre. The 1.3 had a VW Polo lump and they are boooooooorrrrring.
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didnt they have a belt drive as well ?
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Clockwork, probably. Such was the decreptitude of East Germany.

You're thinking of Hubert van Doorne's variomatic system; the clever precursor of today's steel-watchband CVTs, which he also designed. That was DAF cars, later buggered up by Volvo.
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I quite fancy trying:
lancia Delta intergrale
A 2006 to 2009 ish Jaguar XJ
Maserati quadraporte.
997 TT
997 GTS
991
M3 CSL
X5m and X6m
Merc R Class
BMW 5 GT
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Originally Posted by Nick Graves
Clockwork, probably. Such was the decreptitude of East Germany.

You're thinking of Hubert van Doorne's variomatic system; the clever precursor of today's steel-watchband CVTs, which he also designed. That was DAF cars, later buggered up by Volvo.
Ah yes, I used to be driven to school in a DAF 33, it was even worse than the owners' previous Fiat 500. It had possibly the worst sounding automotive engine ever, and was perhaps even slower than the 500. The other down-side was it tended to work, at least the 500 had the decency to break down regularly so we could be late for school.
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I'm familiar with the more modern 44. That didn't SEEM quick (the usual CVT complaint) but it was so smart off the line without gearchanges & always the right ratio; you could seriously piss off P6B drivers & the like. Which was great when you heard them boot the ex-Buick V8 in annoyance...

The 50/50 mass distribution and rather 'sporty' suspension/sharp steering meant it handled surprising well, too. Just watch those swing axles in the wet...
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Originally Posted by Nick Graves
I'm familiar with the more modern 44. That didn't SEEM quick (the usual CVT complaint) but it was so smart off the line without gearchanges & always the right ratio; you could seriously piss off P6B drivers & the like. Which was great when you heard them boot the ex-Buick V8 in annoyance...

The 50/50 mass distribution and rather 'sporty' suspension/sharp steering meant it handled surprising well, too. Just watch those swing axles in the wet...
I don't know about the 44, but my mother had a P6 3500 and I can assure you the 33 was not even remotely in the same continent, speed-wise! As you imply, the Rover also had the blessing of a rather nice sounding engine of course...
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You're missing the point; they weren't expecting it to be so smart off the line - they invariably had some car lengths to regain, especially if the lanes converged.

Mind you, a P6B with auto could bloody shift too! Vroooom!

Well, relatively; we'd laugh at it today, TBH. But it FELT good.
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Originally Posted by Nick Graves
You're missing the point; they weren't expecting it to be so smart off the line - they invariably had some car lengths to regain, especially if the lanes converged.

Mind you, a P6B with auto could bloody shift too! Vroooom!

Well, relatively; we'd laugh at it today, TBH. But it FELT good.
No, I got it, guess I'm saying the 33 felt dog slow in spite of the transmission. You've got to bear in mind as well I was a kid who loved cars so I hated that bloody thing with a passion - maybe I was a tad biased! Mind you the father had a Lada so maybe the Daf wasn't so bad!

It was a lot better when it was one of the other parent's turn as sometimes they would pick us up in their E-Type, now that was a car

I remember Mum's Rover felt like a rocket ship to us at the time - would be embarrassed by the average diesel hatch these days.


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