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03-30-2006, 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by gaddafi,Mar 30 2006, 02:05 PM
I'd like someone to explain to me why aggravated burglary does not carry a mandatory term like seven years, first offence or not
The law doesn't provide for one (I would assume) because the theory is that burglary, even the aggravated variety, covers a spectrum of seriousness and so it would be inappropriate to apply a blanket sentence.
If Charles Clarke gets his way, the existing legislation will be quite substantially rewritten and a lot of the discretion currently given to judges removed - more minimum and mandatory sentences.
03-30-2006, 05:30 AM
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Just read an interesting short article on the Telegraph website which may be worth quoting here:
More than three-quarters of the public believe that sentences handed down by the courts are too lenient, Home Office research has found.
The British Crime Survey reveals that 76 per cent of those questioned thought Crown and magistrates' courts were too soft. Only 22 per cent said they believed sentences were "about right".
However, the research also showed that people polled tended to underestimate the severity of punishments handed to criminals.
They guessed that 40 per cent of burglars aged over 21 were sent to prison when the true figure is 63 per cent. The public also estimated that 58 per cent of convicted rapists were jailed when the true figure is 98 per cent.
The research found that confidence in the criminal justice system was increasing in five of the six areas measured.
Shadow home affairs minister Edward Garnier said: "It is alarming that so many people think courts are too soft. They are doing no more than Parliament asks them to do.
"What we need from this Government is not an attack on the judiciary but policies that produce honesty and clarity in sentencing.
"The public need to know that the sentence pronounced is the sentence that will be served."
The British Crime Survey reveals that 76 per cent of those questioned thought Crown and magistrates' courts were too soft. Only 22 per cent said they believed sentences were "about right".
However, the research also showed that people polled tended to underestimate the severity of punishments handed to criminals.
They guessed that 40 per cent of burglars aged over 21 were sent to prison when the true figure is 63 per cent. The public also estimated that 58 per cent of convicted rapists were jailed when the true figure is 98 per cent.
The research found that confidence in the criminal justice system was increasing in five of the six areas measured.
Shadow home affairs minister Edward Garnier said: "It is alarming that so many people think courts are too soft. They are doing no more than Parliament asks them to do.
"What we need from this Government is not an attack on the judiciary but policies that produce honesty and clarity in sentencing.
"The public need to know that the sentence pronounced is the sentence that will be served."
03-30-2006, 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Lurking Lawyer,Mar 30 2006, 03:18 PM
The law doesn't provide for one (I would assume) because the theory is that burglary, even the aggravated variety, covers a spectrum of seriousness and so it would be inappropriate to apply a blanket sentence.
Manc isn't that bad-honest.
Maybe I'm hardened to it.
Whether it's the housing makeup of the city-scum next to wealthy estates-I don't know
. I don't know how much it differs from other places.We do have the biggest council estate in Europe-that can't help. To get out of it you have to drive through middle to upper class areas in every direction. Two of the top 10 wealthiest places in the county are within spitting distance.
03-30-2006, 05:35 AM
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They guessed that 40 per cent of burglars aged over 21 were sent to prison when the true figure is 63 per cent.
The public also estimated that 58 per cent of convicted rapists were jailed when the true figure is 98 per cent.
03-30-2006, 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Moggy,Mar 30 2006, 02:35 PM
FFS how can anyone think a convicted rapist would walk free
I think they must have interviewed lamposts
03-30-2006, 05:44 AM
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ahh yes I see.
Still fail to see how anyone in their right mind can belive rapists don't go to prison? IMO rape is seen in society as one of the most heinous crimes.
Still fail to see how anyone in their right mind can belive rapists don't go to prison?
IMO rape is seen in society as one of the most heinous crimes.
03-30-2006, 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by gaddafi,Mar 30 2006, 01:21 PM
last time I was in a Spain I saw some p*ssed English loudmouth who wouldn't leave a bar beaten senseless by two Spanish Police
top work
When they join the Guardias, they get posted to the Basque region (ETA, similar to IRA) where ETA carry out frequent bombings and stuff. Turns the Guardias into men dealing with that day in day out.
Also think about this.......you can be held on 'remand' in Spain for upto 4yrs without much physical proof as such. I know because I know a few people who've been in trouble in Spain and it was'nt pretty for them. A person whos been in a fight will be held with a rapist/murder etc...
03-30-2006, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Moggy,Mar 30 2006, 03:35 PM
FFS how can anyone think a convicted rapist would walk free
But according to the quote 2% must be let free