Alonso to Ferrari
10-01-2009, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by bigfecker,Sep 30 2009, 04:08 PM
The biggest cheat in F1 moves to the biggest cheating team - discuss 
And for that matter, Alonso?
I thought the "cheats" were:
MacLaren - for the spying
Ron Dennis / Dave Ryan / Lewis Hamilton - for lying to stewards
Briatore / Symmonds (and Piquet) for crashing
10-01-2009, 06:42 AM
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Team order a few years ago got ferrari into trouble, not sure it was cheating as such but some may view it that way.
Alonso is also widely reported to be the extra witness in the recent race fix scandal which would mean he was involved. Im not completely up to date on everything but last thing I read suggested this.
Edit: Actually just been reading a little more on this and its not supposed to be Alonso now, very confusing! Although he must have had some knowledge due to the strange strategy that they were running during that race.
Alonso is also widely reported to be the extra witness in the recent race fix scandal which would mean he was involved. Im not completely up to date on everything but last thing I read suggested this.
Edit: Actually just been reading a little more on this and its not supposed to be Alonso now, very confusing! Although he must have had some knowledge due to the strange strategy that they were running during that race.
10-01-2009, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by GarethB,Oct 1 2009, 02:35 PM
Can you just tell me when Ferrari have been found guilty of cheating?
Austria 2002 and Ferraris team orders...
The deliberate crash by Schumacher at Monaco... not so much the act itself as much as trying to convince the world that it was a simple driver error...
Ferrari are never found guilty by the FIA (Ferrari International Aid)...
One of the most questionable, although I admit not cheating... offerring Lauda's drive to to Emerson Fittipladi the day of his Nurburgring accident, then Enzo screaming disloyalty when he leaves the next year and sacking his race engineer out of spite
10-01-2009, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by GarethB,Oct 1 2009, 03:35 PM
Can you just tell me when Ferrari have been found guilty of cheating?
And for that matter, Alonso?
I thought the "cheats" were:
MacLaren - for the spying
Ron Dennis / Dave Ryan / Lewis Hamilton - for lying to stewards
Briatore / Symmonds (and Piquet) for crashing
And for that matter, Alonso?
I thought the "cheats" were:
MacLaren - for the spying
Ron Dennis / Dave Ryan / Lewis Hamilton - for lying to stewards
Briatore / Symmonds (and Piquet) for crashing
Alonso was given immunity from prosecution by the FIA in the same way that Piquet was, it's very clear he was involved in/knew of the McLaren spying.
You forgot Renault for spying on McLaren.
Ron Dennis stepped down as Team Principal in January, long before the Australian cheating event, that was down to Ryan/Whitmarsh/Hamilton.
10-01-2009, 08:21 AM
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My point being that I actually listed the "biggest cheats in F1"
I'll admit that Ferrari are not whiter than white but because the response will always be, "well the FIA never find Ferrari guilty" os something similar, there's very little point me going on.
I'll admit that Ferrari are not whiter than white but because the response will always be, "well the FIA never find Ferrari guilty" os something similar, there's very little point me going on.
10-01-2009, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by (S2K4ME),Oct 1 2009, 04:14 PM
GarethB - driving an Alfa should surely make you understand how Ferrari react and always get their way.
10-01-2009, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by LTB,Sep 30 2009, 02:56 PM
Kimi v Lewis would be an interesting one to watch and could finally settle a few pub arguments.
I have to say I've actually grown to like Hamilton in the last season - I don't think I would get quite the same sense of satisfaction from seeing Kimi wipe the floor with him next year!
Will be awesome - hopefully will produce the same montoya/raikkonen escapades