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Old 11-21-2017, 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by woodburn
This is a stupid post. First your comparing a fwd car to a rwd car and wondering why the 0-60 times are better for the rwd? Don’t you understand traction issues on the line with fwd? Don’t you understand power to weight aren’t the only variables? Dont you understand that 0-60 times are not accurate why to test acceleration? But are based more on traction off the line. You need to spend some time at the drag strip.
You need to spend some time reading the post:

OP: "I am not talking about 0-100km/h now since all FWD cars will suck here. I am talking about 100-200km/h readings, something that is relevant for track driving."
Old 11-21-2017, 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by darcyw
but in 5 years?

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Who keeps cars 5 years?
Old 11-21-2017, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by CosmosMpower
Who keeps cars 5 years?
I know you don't, but me:
Integra: 13 years
M5: 6.5 years
S2000: 3.5 years
M3: only 1+ year so far, but plan to keep it 5+ years
Old 11-21-2017, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by CosmosMpower
Who keeps cars 5 years?
I do.
Old 11-21-2017, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by darcyw
but in 5 years?

Darcy
Sorry to burst your bubbles but I think the CTR will hold its value. The CTR has a big enough cult following that all those people who couldn't afford buying it new will be trying to get their hands on a used one. Obviously car condition matters but there is no way a good condition CTR will lose $20k in 5 years.
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Originally Posted by CosmosMpower
Because the CTR is a hideous POS and the M2 is god's chariot? j/k. One is a FWD hot hatch with 4 cyl one is a RWD coupe with a lot more torque.
Thank you, was surprised everybody kept bringing up the HP figure but no mention of torque. I did a quick search (too lazy to search longer) but could not find a CTR dyno graph showing proper torque curve / RPM, but I'd guess the M2 has significant more area under the curve. I'd love to be proven wrong
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Originally Posted by ishtori5
Sorry to burst your bubbles but I think the CTR will hold its value. The CTR has a big enough cult following that all those people who couldn't afford buying it new will be trying to get their hands on a used one. Obviously car condition matters but there is no way a good condition CTR will lose $20k in 5 years.
ALL CAPS TIME. I AM EFFIN REFERRING TO THE M2. That is why - AMONGST MANY OTHER REASONS- why I would prefer to own a CTR than an M2. The Honda will maintain MORE of its overall value - it will depreciate LESS (based on %)- than the same year M2. I'm not commenting on how either car is to drive. These cars are in completely different classes. I would buy the CTR over the M2 because its fun to drive, cost effective performance, and more affordable- no effin way I'm paying BMW for the M tax. The TypeR tax is easier to swallow. Virtually ANY new car is a losing proposition, however- take that to the bank.

I agree- a 5 year old CTR will not be worth $15,000 in 5 years ($35,000-$20,000). I'll tell you this- and in 5 years can call me out if I am wrong- but the massochist who bought a new CTR for $60K is not going to have a $40,000 car- no effin way- they are gonna take a complete crap kicking unless they don't drive the car at all for 20 years. Their car will be valued the same as market value as the guy who bought his/hers at MSRP (like we can in Canada) in 5 years.

the CTR will hold more value in 5 years than an M2 (based on % loss). The maintenance on the Honda is more reasonable for me. I don't pay people to maintain my cars. I keep cars forever. I would rather maintain a 10 year old Honda than an 10 year old M2. You have completely misinterpreted my post.

So, to stay on track, the CTR is not slow.
Darcy

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Originally Posted by fusionchickenleg
Thank you, was surprised everybody kept bringing up the HP figure but no mention of torque. I did a quick search (too lazy to search longer) but could not find a CTR dyno graph showing proper torque curve / RPM, but I'd guess the M2 has significant more area under the curve. I'd love to be proven wrong
They actually make gobs of torque down low too. I never looked at a M2 graph so not sure how it compares to that.
this is from my own Type R that i dynoed at ~700 miles. You can see the power delivery there.
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Old 11-22-2017, 04:51 PM
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There has to be at least a 30 percent price difference between these two cars. That being said, I think the real question is which car would you rather buy, assuming you can comfortably afford the $50,000 M2.
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Originally Posted by rwheelz
You need to spend some time reading the post:

OP: "I am not talking about 0-100km/h now since all FWD cars will suck here. I am talking about 100-200km/h readings, something that is relevant for track driving."
On a roll race the ctr beats every single car in its class.


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