Why is the new CTR so slow?
#91
Power is factor period, it's just less of a factor the tighter the course (aka, super tight autocross course).
I'm just glad I've moved on from FWD/AWD based 4 cylinder sporty economy cars, especially ones that cost $35k+. I miss the good old days of upper teens Civic Si's with the good ol' 1.6 that revved to 8k rpm and sounded pretty good.
#92
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#93
I personally strongly dislike it b/c it's the heaviest Civic available (that's not what a Type R is about) and because (to me) it's ugly as hell, and even if some people do like the appearance, you're fooling yourself that it won't look dated as hell in 5 years, especially after the black plastic trim has started to fade.
I was a fan of the FoRS until I drove one. Hated the driving position. Maybe if I had more time I could get the seats and steering wheel just right, but I doubt it. As far as interior design and quality, the Civic Type R is actually my favorite in the segment lol. But never in my life would I buy something that ugly. It could hit 60 in 2 seconds and run a 10 second quarter mile. Do not care.
Do I think the Focus RS is a bad car? No. Would I get one if I was in the market for such type of car? Probably not. I'm just not a fan of it for various subjective reasons. That said, I really don't understand the title and the point of this thread. I think the title itself is a bit misleading and arguing what car is faster is really a moot point with today's technology. A Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 1LE can out corner, out accelerate many cars costing twice, 3 times, or maybe even 4 times of its price. Does it mean the Camaro is better than those cars? Probably not. There is reasons those cars can be sold for 200k or 400k. I get this is car talk forum but it is not always about performance numbers. Sometime it is the intangible things in a car than make you tick.
#94
The clutch engagement was really piss poor, I adjusted it as much as possible , got a clutch stop and the engagement point was still all the way at the top. The gas pedal is hyper sensitive in sport, sport sharp but the car is very sluggish in comfort mode so no good settings there. The motor was pretty anemic for a 2016 sporty sedan, fell flat on it's face after about 4000 RPM. I was scared to tune it for fear of blowing up and being denied a warranty claim. It under steered when pushed hard, the infotainment system was sluggish and awful, the interior did not warrant a high 30K MSRP. Dumb kids tried to race me and a lot of the owners were flat brim hat, vaping idiots.
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#95
The clutch engagement was really piss poor, I adjusted it as much as possible , got a clutch stop and the engagement point was still all the way at the top. The gas pedal is hyper sensitive in sport, sport sharp but the car is very sluggish in comfort mode so no good settings there. The motor was pretty anemic for a 2016 sporty sedan, fell flat on it's face after about 4000 RPM. I was scared to tune it for fear of blowing up and being denied a warranty claim. It under steered when pushed hard, the infotainment system was sluggish and awful, the interior did not warrant a high 30K MSRP. Dumb kids tried to race me and a lot of the owners were flat brim hat, vaping idiots.
I'll just say I have a lot of friends who have owned STi's, but few of them for very long.
#96
#97
I was a fan of the FoRS until I drove one. Hated the driving position. Maybe if I had more time I could get the seats and steering wheel just right, but I doubt it. As far as interior design and quality, the Civic Type R is actually my favorite in the segment lol. But never in my life would I buy something that ugly. It could hit 60 in 2 seconds and run a 10 second quarter mile. Do not care.
#98
I personally strongly dislike it b/c it's the heaviest Civic available (that's not what a Type R is about) and because (to me) it's ugly as hell, and even if some people do like the appearance, you're fooling yourself that it won't look dated as hell in 5 years, especially after the black plastic trim has started to fade.
Also, I think sometimes things do evolve, whether we like it or not. Like you mentioned, the CTR is the heaviest of the whole Civic line up, but it also handles the best, with precise body control, sleek gearchange, close-ratio transmission, excellent brakes and still-brilliant ride. You know, qualities that are usually associated with Type R models. Having said that, not all Type R's are the samey. For instance, both the FN2 and FD2, despite both being 8th gen Civic, are quite different. The FD2 is a very hardcore track machine with very poor ride quality. The FN2 on the other hand has a much more compliant ride, but it's a much slower machine.
Other examples include BMW M, Ford Focus RS, etc. BMW M3 no longer uses bespoke NA engines. Instead, it uses a derivative of the N series engine with turbo. Ford Focus RS, after many years with FWD, went with AWD.
#99
Very obvious driver difference there...
#100
I figured it mostly came down to driver weight.
It was just a fun video though, seeing how live the K20 Civic was on the track versus how composed the CTR was.
It was just a fun video though, seeing how live the K20 Civic was on the track versus how composed the CTR was.