'whose' next ride will be electric/hybrid?
04-29-2008 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo99V,Apr 29 2008, 03:57 PM
Rai, I partially agree with you and understand your frustration but think about the other effects this gas price hiking is creating... low income families will have a tougher time, food prices have dramatically increased causing countries to go into food crisis so on and so on. Grred is behind all of this and everyone knows it, yes there might be situations why the proces have gone up but they shouldn't be this high, they are just pushing it.
I do agree that poorer people will feel it more than richer people. Poor people can't afford $5 a pack of cigs (but they buy them I bet) and they can't afford cable TV (so what's the answer? Charge poor people less and rich people more? The rich already pay many times more income tax, it'd get to the point that it is not worth working hard).
But I don't think it's against the law for an oil company to make money.
The more you punish US oil companies for doing well and let them explor and find more oil because it's good for them. If they didn't have any incentive then the national oil companies like Luc-oil and Chaves oil will make the profit because the US companies are out to make money and they need a profit.
What margin does Apple make on I-pods and computers? What market does Google make? Should we take from them too?
Exxon made a huge profit because the price of oil went up 4x in the past few years. Exxon does not make oil go up, it's a free market and world economy, if anything OPEC countries have more effect on the price of oil.
My point is, if you make oil/gas cheaper people will use more of it. The higher price is not good for the economy, but neither is US using more oil than the rest of the world. Also, if we in the US (I mean people who can't afford big gas hog cars) would start buying Escorts and Civics etc. instead of Explorers and such, then we could use less oul and import less. The point is cheap oil does not make us use less but makes it easier for car companies to sell big heavy cars. And don't say people need SUVs and PU trucke because the rest of the world does OK without them.
I don't care if you can afford to pay for gas than buy what you want. But if you can't afford to pay for gas then buy an Escort or something like that it's cheaper to buy than an Explorer or an F150 and it's cheaper to run and uses smaller (cheaper) tires etc..
04-29-2008 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by rai,Apr 29 2008, 03:16 PM
ridiculous.
Also, why do you say oil companies are robbing us blind? there are ways for people to avoid buying gas (move close to work, walk/bike) carpool, plus many people own shares of oil companies they are mostly publicly owned.
Also, why do you say oil companies are robbing us blind? there are ways for people to avoid buying gas (move close to work, walk/bike) carpool, plus many people own shares of oil companies they are mostly publicly owned.
04-29-2008 | 04:26 PM
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It's a double edge sword. I personally think there should be more control over this situation because the balance is off. I think the government should of restricted the car industry a long time ago with the manufacturing of SUVs and large trucks. I don't think they should be sold to those who don't really needed it but then it goes against our freedom but yet we are less free as days go by.
04-29-2008 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Heysus,Apr 29 2008, 02:54 PM
Even if it means sticking it to the bastard oil companies and OPEC douche bags? I would. 
The days of PERMANENT $5/gal are almost here.
The days of PERMANENT $5/gal are almost here. I know the day I go electric I'll still be paying at other places besides the gas station
(like the high food prices).
But atleast I'm not paying for "gas" directly. I feel somewhat better
04-29-2008 | 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by rai,Apr 29 2008, 03:16 PM
ridiculous.
everything you said (IMO) plug-in hybrids or any hybrids (you can have them) if they make any financial sense and if you want such a slow car then have at it.
Also, why do you say oil companies are robbing us blind? there are ways for people to avoid buying gas (move close to work, walk/bike) carpool, plus many people own shares of oil companies they are mostly publicly owned.
If gas was not worth the cost no one would buy it.
You see people buy bottled water? Guess what people will pay for it so whay can't a company sell it for whatever price the market will support?
You know what tens or hundred of millions of people have cars/trucks and SUVs that get less than 20 mpg. Did they have an alternative? Yes they could have got cars which get 30 or 40 MPG but they didn't. Now they want to blame Big oil.
If oil/gas is cheap people will buy BIG cars and now they don't want to pay the piper. It's very funny.
Not that I think Hydrogen or Electric or hybrids or some combination are bad. But Gas is such the best alternative at this time and in the near future that it's funny to read how people are going to jump off the gas bandwagon.
Call me when your electric and battery bills come in and tell us how Big electric and Big battery makers shouldn't be able to make a profit. LOL
everything you said (IMO) plug-in hybrids or any hybrids (you can have them) if they make any financial sense and if you want such a slow car then have at it.
Also, why do you say oil companies are robbing us blind? there are ways for people to avoid buying gas (move close to work, walk/bike) carpool, plus many people own shares of oil companies they are mostly publicly owned.
If gas was not worth the cost no one would buy it.
You see people buy bottled water? Guess what people will pay for it so whay can't a company sell it for whatever price the market will support?
You know what tens or hundred of millions of people have cars/trucks and SUVs that get less than 20 mpg. Did they have an alternative? Yes they could have got cars which get 30 or 40 MPG but they didn't. Now they want to blame Big oil.
If oil/gas is cheap people will buy BIG cars and now they don't want to pay the piper. It's very funny.
Not that I think Hydrogen or Electric or hybrids or some combination are bad. But Gas is such the best alternative at this time and in the near future that it's funny to read how people are going to jump off the gas bandwagon.
Call me when your electric and battery bills come in and tell us how Big electric and Big battery makers shouldn't be able to make a profit. LOL
you must be part of the oil companies in some way.
04-29-2008 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by rai,Apr 29 2008, 04:19 PM
IDK
I do agree that poorer people will feel it more than richer people. Poor people can't afford $5 a pack of cigs (but they buy them I bet) and they can't afford cable TV (so what's the answer? Charge poor people less and rich people more? The rich already pay many times more income tax, it'd get to the point that it is not worth working hard).
But I don't think it's against the law for an oil company to make money.
The more you punish US oil companies for doing well and let them explor and find more oil because it's good for them. If they didn't have any incentive then the national oil companies like Luc-oil and Chaves oil will make the profit because the US companies are out to make money and they need a profit.
What margin does Apple make on I-pods and computers? What market does Google make? Should we take from them too?
Exxon made a huge profit because the price of oil went up 4x in the past few years. Exxon does not make oil go up, it's a free market and world economy, if anything OPEC countries have more effect on the price of oil.
My point is, if you make oil/gas cheaper people will use more of it. The higher price is not good for the economy, but neither is US using more oil than the rest of the world. Also, if we in the US (I mean people who can't afford big gas hog cars) would start buying Escorts and Civics etc. instead of Explorers and such, then we could use less oul and import less. The point is cheap oil does not make us use less but makes it easier for car companies to sell big heavy cars. And don't say people need SUVs and PU trucke because the rest of the world does OK without them.
I don't care if you can afford to pay for gas than buy what you want. But if you can't afford to pay for gas then buy an Escort or something like that it's cheaper to buy than an Explorer or an F150 and it's cheaper to run and uses smaller (cheaper) tires etc..
I do agree that poorer people will feel it more than richer people. Poor people can't afford $5 a pack of cigs (but they buy them I bet) and they can't afford cable TV (so what's the answer? Charge poor people less and rich people more? The rich already pay many times more income tax, it'd get to the point that it is not worth working hard).
But I don't think it's against the law for an oil company to make money.
The more you punish US oil companies for doing well and let them explor and find more oil because it's good for them. If they didn't have any incentive then the national oil companies like Luc-oil and Chaves oil will make the profit because the US companies are out to make money and they need a profit.
What margin does Apple make on I-pods and computers? What market does Google make? Should we take from them too?
Exxon made a huge profit because the price of oil went up 4x in the past few years. Exxon does not make oil go up, it's a free market and world economy, if anything OPEC countries have more effect on the price of oil.
My point is, if you make oil/gas cheaper people will use more of it. The higher price is not good for the economy, but neither is US using more oil than the rest of the world. Also, if we in the US (I mean people who can't afford big gas hog cars) would start buying Escorts and Civics etc. instead of Explorers and such, then we could use less oul and import less. The point is cheap oil does not make us use less but makes it easier for car companies to sell big heavy cars. And don't say people need SUVs and PU trucke because the rest of the world does OK without them.
I don't care if you can afford to pay for gas than buy what you want. But if you can't afford to pay for gas then buy an Escort or something like that it's cheaper to buy than an Explorer or an F150 and it's cheaper to run and uses smaller (cheaper) tires etc..
lives. IT is NOT something that the USA can live without.
Therefore, I believe it should be controlled by the people not private companies or other countries.
Look at countries where the government controls gas production......about 1 dollar for a gallon there.
GAS should be reasonably priced. Affordable. But free is always the better
The higher cost of gas guzzling vehicles is enough to control over use of those vehicles.
04-29-2008 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo99V,Apr 29 2008, 03:57 PM
Rai, I partially agree with you and understand your frustration but think about the other effects this gas price hiking is creating... low income families will have a tougher time, food prices have dramatically increased causing countries to go into food crisis so on and so on. Grred is behind all of this and everyone knows it, yes there might be situations why the proces have gone up but they shouldn't be this high, they are just pushing it.
limiting oil production and making fake excuses like.....
there's no more oil, our boats are being attacked, we are having equipment problems or the weather is bad are
creating a fake hi demand and low supply..........=> higher prices
04-29-2008 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Heysus,Apr 29 2008, 02:20 PM
Grammar/spelling police here: it's "whose" btw.
My next ride will CERTAINLY be a hybrid.
My next ride will CERTAINLY be a hybrid.
a hybrid will not save any or your money, i guess they wont laugh at you as much, let me guess you are selling your suv.
5th gen civic-vx