VW Board votes to ax Cayene and Panamera
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Maybe I'm a bit cynical, but it sounds to me like a bit of retribution. Mess with the bull get the horns.
By axing Porsche's most profitable vehicle they are ensuring Porsche won't have the means to recover financially. It's always about money. The product overlap argument is weak. You simply don't walk away from profit.
The Panamera is just ugly and a waste of resources. That was a mercy kill.
By axing Porsche's most profitable vehicle they are ensuring Porsche won't have the means to recover financially. It's always about money. The product overlap argument is weak. You simply don't walk away from profit.
The Panamera is just ugly and a waste of resources. That was a mercy kill.
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I think this is a good direction for Porsche. As much as it was cool that they were so successful as an independent company, having VW as a parent company will allow them to return to their roots, making only sports cars. As for an entry-level Porsche, the collaboration with VW on the 914 and the 924/944 worked out pretty well, I would say. The upmarket shift of particular models often leads to room for an entry-level car, ala BMW 1-series.
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It makes a lot more sense for porsche to offer an affordable sportscar vs. an upscale luxury sedan or SUV. All three could dilute the brand, but the suv and sedan will dilute its heritage whereas the cheap sportscar will dilute its exclusivity.
I bet that the entry level sportscar will probably be shared somewhere in the VW or Audi range since audi still doesn't have a true Z4/SLK fighter aside from the TT which doesn't exactly compete directly for the same customers.
I bet that the entry level sportscar will probably be shared somewhere in the VW or Audi range since audi still doesn't have a true Z4/SLK fighter aside from the TT which doesn't exactly compete directly for the same customers.
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Originally Posted by Onehots2k,Sep 1 2009, 11:48 AM
The Cayenne and Panamera are expected to finish their current life cycles with production ceasing sometime in 2016.
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Originally Posted by Nin009,Sep 1 2009, 11:34 AM
Maybe I'm a bit cynical, but it sounds to me like a bit of retribution. Mess with the bull get the horns.
By axing Porsche's most profitable vehicle they are ensuring Porsche won't have the means to recover financially. It's always about money. The product overlap argument is weak. You simply don't walk away from profit.
The Panamera is just ugly and a waste of resources. That was a mercy kill.
By axing Porsche's most profitable vehicle they are ensuring Porsche won't have the means to recover financially. It's always about money. The product overlap argument is weak. You simply don't walk away from profit.
The Panamera is just ugly and a waste of resources. That was a mercy kill.
Also, I don't think the Porsche SUV remained a profit center. I think over time it dropped in profit to the point where it really wasn't helping.
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Originally Posted by OverBooster,Sep 1 2009, 02:44 PM
That is a LONG time from now. A lot can change between now and then. Until then, this article is really meaningless.
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Sounds good to me.
Porsche have lost their way, developing ever bigger/heavier NON sports cars. Pity it's taken VW to put them back on the straight and narrow.
Here's to future Porsches that are more Lotus Elise than S-class Mercedes (or bloated SUV).
Porsche have lost their way, developing ever bigger/heavier NON sports cars. Pity it's taken VW to put them back on the straight and narrow.
Here's to future Porsches that are more Lotus Elise than S-class Mercedes (or bloated SUV).
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Originally Posted by ZDan,Sep 1 2009, 07:15 PM
Sounds good to me.
Porsche have lost their way, developing ever bigger/heavier NON sports cars. Pity it's taken VW to put them back on the straight and narrow.
Here's to future Porsches that are more Lotus Elise than S-class Mercedes (or bloated SUV).
Porsche have lost their way, developing ever bigger/heavier NON sports cars. Pity it's taken VW to put them back on the straight and narrow.
Here's to future Porsches that are more Lotus Elise than S-class Mercedes (or bloated SUV).
And that Panamera may not be beautiful (and I'll wait for my final eval until I see one in person), but as a person with 2 boys under 3, I can see me in one of those in a few years before I see myself in a 911. So the Panamera has some purpose, but I can see why VW would kill it.
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Originally Posted by erik,Sep 1 2009, 05:05 PM
So you're telling me the Boxster, Cayman, and all the 911 variants have suffered because Porsche built a SUV and a sedan?
The SUV was built with the express purpose as giving Porsche another revenue stream so they could keep building limited 911s (at least that's how I read the story).
[QUOTE]And that Panamera may not be beautiful (and I'll wait for my final eval until I see one in person), but as a person with 2 boys under 3, I can see me in one of those in a few years before I see myself in a 911.