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Old 10-13-2015, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k
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If it's high teens I think its a pretty good car actually. I just can't fathom how they could make money at that price point.
The same way all the other companies who make cars at that price point do? I mean, honestly, what is so hard about making a fun cheap car? Plenty of cheap cars out there, why not make em fun...
Feel free to point out another automaker that builds a dedicated platform RWD sports car for under $20k. Toyota couldn't even do it alone with the $26k FR-S; had to partner with Subaru to make that "work".
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Who said it needs to be a dedicated RWD platform? I just want something that is cheap and fun to drive... I don't think it's that hard, I just think there is no market for this car in america. We ask for too many features for too little money.
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Goddamn man, are you intentionally argumentative just for the sake of it?

Toyota currently has no platform on which to build a 2100 lb RWD coupe. Thus they would need a new platform. I.e. a dedicated platform. Sure we (the enthusiasts) don't require a dedicated platform for this car, but please explain how else this car could be built?

I'd love to see the next gen (could this happen?) FRS have a platform that is able to be used for a smaller model (like this concept), as well as able to be used for a larger RWD sedan. Would be pretty sweet.
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Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k
Goddamn man, are you intentionally argumentative just for the sake of it?

Toyota currently has no platform on which to build a 2100 lb RWD coupe. Thus they would need a new platform. I.e. a dedicated platform. Sure we (the enthusiasts) don't require a dedicated platform for this car, but please explain how else this car could be built?

I'd love to see the next gen (could this happen?) FRS have a platform that is able to be used for a smaller model (like this concept), as well as able to be used for a larger RWD sedan. Would be pretty sweet.
You don't actually have any good reasons for thinking Toyota can't make this happen. There are plenty of cars under $20k US out there, some of which are very fun. If a small company like Mazda can make a $25k dedicated RWD convertible sports car, imagine what the number 1 automaker in the world could do if they put their mind to competing with it. The FR-S is too heavy and the subaru power plant is a bit of a dud.

But you are right "Nobody else is doing it, so it must be impossible" is great reasoning. Toyota has been resting on it's laurels so long they don't take chances anymore. They need to kill off the Scion brand in america and bring some fun stuff back to Toyota. A refreshed (and more powerful) FR-S and a cheaper and lighter sports car would be a great start.

But it's not going to happen...
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I agree with everything you just said.
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I think they stole this concept from a cartoon my son watches
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Didn't toyota already go through this exercise and called it the mrs?
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I love Honda.
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A few comments from me...

- The rumored price is around $10k for the Japanese market - which is suspiciously low. When you undercut the Miata by 50% my first question is "How?" and "What did they cut out?". I suspect this car may be SUPER stripped down and not all that appealing for American buyers.
- Along the same lines... is this car even coming to the US? Any confirmation?
- I suspect the car would be less ugly in a more normal color.
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Originally Posted by deepbluejh
A few comments from me...

- The rumored price is around $10k for the Japanese market - which is suspiciously low. When you undercut the Miata by 50% my first question is "How?" and "What did they cut out?". I suspect this car may be SUPER stripped down and not all that appealing for American buyers.
- Along the same lines... is this car even coming to the US? Any confirmation?
- I suspect the car would be less ugly in a more normal color.
These are good questions. My best guess would be a Smart Roadster like thing, but with Toyota manufacturing, possibly in Northern Derpistanikan or China.

Not large enough for US DOT spec. I smell 660cc Kei car engine. Power windows optional.
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