Toyota is back? FT-86 Concept
10-06-2009, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDonEffect,Oct 6 2009, 09:54 AM
I agree with your sentiment, but you could also argue that you could get a used S2000 or 350Z vs. a MS3/GTI/SI/etc. By the time this comes out, you could get an s2000, some C6s, 370Zs, etc.
But it appeals to me because it's a mass produced (and relatively proven despite some tranny issues) drivetrain, 2+2, and potentially low entry cost. And if it's anything like current mass produced subarus and toyotas, it will be hands on friendly.
Last time I got this interested it was over the gen coupe, then the curb weight and wheelbase measurements came out and kinda killed it for me, so hopefully this will be a true sport compact vs. sport touring type coupe.
But it appeals to me because it's a mass produced (and relatively proven despite some tranny issues) drivetrain, 2+2, and potentially low entry cost. And if it's anything like current mass produced subarus and toyotas, it will be hands on friendly.
Last time I got this interested it was over the gen coupe, then the curb weight and wheelbase measurements came out and kinda killed it for me, so hopefully this will be a true sport compact vs. sport touring type coupe.
Genesis Coupe
Wheelbase 111.0 in (2819 mm)
Length 182.3 in (4630 mm)
Width 73.4 in (1864 mm)
Height 54.3 in (1379 mm)
curb weight(v6) 3,389 lb (1,537 kg)
7th gen Celica
Wheelbase 102.4 in (2601 mm)
Length 170.5 in (4331 mm)
Width 68.3 in (1735 mm)
Height 51.4 in (1306 mm)
Curb weight 2,425 lb (1,100 kg)
s2k
Wheelbase 94.5 in (2,400 mm)
Length 162.7 in (4,133 mm)
Width 68.9 in (1,750 mm)
Height 50.0 in (1,270 mm)
Curb weight 2,801 lb (1,271 kg)
NC miata
Wheelbase 91.7 in (2,330 mm)
Length 157.3 in (4,000 mm)
Width 67.7 in (1,720 mm)
Height 49.0 in (1,240 mm)
Curb weight 2,410 lb (1,095 kg)
So the FT-86 is actually shorter than the 7th gen Celica by almost 7 inches, just a smidge longer and wider than the s2k. With crash safety regulations increasing every year, I doubt that the FT-86 would be lighter than the Celica but hopefully 2600-2800 lb is doable.
10-06-2009, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Saint_Spinner,Oct 6 2009, 10:16 AM
****...this is good and bad at the same time. Good that its RWD, dependable, small, light (presumably) and affordable...that's the problem. Imagine the insurance rates on these things when every bonehead teenager gets one. 
10-06-2009, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by cyde01,Oct 6 2009, 10:44 AM
dimensions for the FT-86 are: 163.78 inches long and 69.29 inches wide, 49.6 inches high with a wheelbase of 101.18 inches. By comparison:
Genesis Coupe
Wheelbase 111.0 in (2819 mm)
Length 182.3 in (4630 mm)
Width 73.4 in (1864 mm)
Height 54.3 in (1379 mm)
curb weight(v6) 3,389 lb (1,537 kg)
7th gen Celica
Wheelbase 102.4 in (2601 mm)
Length 170.5 in (4331 mm)
Width 68.3 in (1735 mm)
Height 51.4 in (1306 mm)
Curb weight 2,425 lb (1,100 kg)
s2k
Wheelbase 94.5 in (2,400 mm)
Length 162.7 in (4,133 mm)
Width 68.9 in (1,750 mm)
Height 50.0 in (1,270 mm)
Curb weight 2,801 lb (1,271 kg)
NC miata
Wheelbase 91.7 in (2,330 mm)
Length 157.3 in (4,000 mm)
Width 67.7 in (1,720 mm)
Height 49.0 in (1,240 mm)
Curb weight 2,410 lb (1,095 kg)
So the FT-86 is actually shorter than the 7th gen Celica by almost 7 inches, just a smidge longer and wider than the s2k. With crash safety regulations increasing every year, I doubt that the FT-86 would be lighter than the Celica but hopefully 2600-2800 lb is doable.
Genesis Coupe
Wheelbase 111.0 in (2819 mm)
Length 182.3 in (4630 mm)
Width 73.4 in (1864 mm)
Height 54.3 in (1379 mm)
curb weight(v6) 3,389 lb (1,537 kg)
7th gen Celica
Wheelbase 102.4 in (2601 mm)
Length 170.5 in (4331 mm)
Width 68.3 in (1735 mm)
Height 51.4 in (1306 mm)
Curb weight 2,425 lb (1,100 kg)
s2k
Wheelbase 94.5 in (2,400 mm)
Length 162.7 in (4,133 mm)
Width 68.9 in (1,750 mm)
Height 50.0 in (1,270 mm)
Curb weight 2,801 lb (1,271 kg)
NC miata
Wheelbase 91.7 in (2,330 mm)
Length 157.3 in (4,000 mm)
Width 67.7 in (1,720 mm)
Height 49.0 in (1,240 mm)
Curb weight 2,410 lb (1,095 kg)
So the FT-86 is actually shorter than the 7th gen Celica by almost 7 inches, just a smidge longer and wider than the s2k. With crash safety regulations increasing every year, I doubt that the FT-86 would be lighter than the Celica but hopefully 2600-2800 lb is doable.
10-06-2009, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by WarrenW,Oct 6 2009, 06:08 AM
"excitement injection" indeed. They haven't had anything exciting since the '98 TT Supra. I don't know what they were thinking about with the MR2 Spyder, a weak attempt in my opinion.
10-06-2009, 11:10 AM
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i wish this will be a wake-up call to honda to make a no bs, light-weight fun fr.
heck, i actually wish this was by honda as the s2000 replacement. (of course with a bit more power though...)
is that just me?
heck, i actually wish this was by honda as the s2000 replacement. (of course with a bit more power though...)
is that just me?
10-06-2009, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by urbanglowcam,Oct 6 2009, 10:58 AM
Hmmm...interesting. I dunno...it just seems like these cars are getting too bulky. I just looked at a picture of the profile of it vs the S2000s and it just doesn't look as slender and athletic.
10-06-2009, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by urbanglowcam,Oct 6 2009, 11:09 AM
If it was going to look like one of their earlier concepts it woulda been nicer to me.
Not to mention that if this was a Toyota, I would think this would be the successor to the Supra, not an entry level sports car.