Top 10 cars of all time
03-09-2003, 07:06 PM
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original Ferrari gto
ferrari288gto
ferrari308gtsiqv
ferrarif355
ferraridaytona
porsche993
honda s2000
70 transam
03gt40
zo6
ferrari288gto
ferrari308gtsiqv
ferrarif355
ferraridaytona
porsche993
honda s2000
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03gt40
zo6
03-10-2003, 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by Meeyatch1
I would be interested to know exactly WHAT car that is half its price at the time of its introduction (1991) was better built, more innovative, had better style, incorporated more luxury, technology, and performance, and was more of an icon than the NSX. SURPASSING that at half the price would be a feat.
P.S.--This does NOT mean that if you pick a 1991 car with a better 1/4 mile time that it is better OVERALL, so I want to nip that right now.
I would be interested to know exactly WHAT car that is half its price at the time of its introduction (1991) was better built, more innovative, had better style, incorporated more luxury, technology, and performance, and was more of an icon than the NSX. SURPASSING that at half the price would be a feat.
P.S.--This does NOT mean that if you pick a 1991 car with a better 1/4 mile time that it is better OVERALL, so I want to nip that right now.
"With the exceptions of top speed, speed at the end of the quarter mile, and 0-30 and 0-40 mph times, our RX-7 R1 beat the Acura NSX in every objective performance test--and costs about half as much. [...] The RX-7 explodes out of corners. [...] The RX-7's boost builds so rapidly it's easy to find yourself in tire-spinning power oversteer. [...] The new RX-7 is just gawdawful fast. It won the important acceleration contest with a 5.2 second 0-60 mph time, turned in a monumental 0.98g on the skidpad, and blew everything else away in lapping around Willow Springs Raceway. Especially in its R1 package, which we had, this is about the raciest feeling thing you can buy and still screw on a license plate. On the race track, it had ferocious cornering power, but seemed to get the biggest edge with enormous jump off the corners." - Motor Trend 4/92
"The RX-7 can do almost anything the best sports cars can do, but better--it accelerates quicker, stops shorter, corners harder, and is faster around a racetrack than almost anything this side of $50,000, and a whole lot of things on the far side of that. As one tester put it, "It sticks to the road like tar on a rocker panel." - Motor Trend 8/92
"The new RX-7 R1 blitzed the Bang portion of Bang for the Buck III. [...] The RX-7's performance was like having an MIT grad student, as a prank, enroll in Calculus I at a junior college. For instance, in lateral acceleration, its advantage over second place equaled second place's advantage over 15th place. [...] Our editors' notes sound like a movie ad: "Spectacular... the best... fabulous in all areas", said one editor before coming down from an adrenaline high. "By far the best track car here, maybe of all time", said another. [...] The RX-7 didn't just win the numbers game, it humiliated the field [...] Its stats read like a sports car's wish list [...] It was also rated first in Fun Factor, with an almost perfect 99.57 score" - Motor Trend 9/92
"The only cars that get around Sears Point International Raceway hill loop much faster have numbers on their doors. [...] The RX-7 may be a performance high-water mark for years to come. [...] The RX-7's performance is awe-inspiring: It's within 1 foot of being the shortest-stopping street car we've ever tested; [...] and grips the road harder than the best race cars of only a few years ago. [...] This is the best hardcore sports car in its price range, maybe in any price range. [...] The RX-7 redefines road manners for its class; the handling feels nimble and natural [...] No sports car in its price range delivers the same level of sensory gratification for the enthusiast driver." - Motor Trend 2/93 naming the Mazda RX-7 1993 Import Car of the Year
03-11-2003, 03:08 PM
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This list is for the top ten most influential cars of all time.
http://www.consumerreports.org/main/detail...D=1047418701540
I wouldn't place most of these among the "best" cars of all time, but it's worth a read.
http://www.consumerreports.org/main/detail...D=1047418701540
I wouldn't place most of these among the "best" cars of all time, but it's worth a read.
03-11-2003, 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by EMarkDDS
This list is for the top ten most influential cars of all time.
http://www.consumerreports.org/main/detail...D=1047418701540
I wouldn't place most of these among the "best" cars of all time, but it's worth a read.
This list is for the top ten most influential cars of all time.
http://www.consumerreports.org/main/detail...D=1047418701540
I wouldn't place most of these among the "best" cars of all time, but it's worth a read.
03-12-2003, 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by 94rexsf
its funny, the miata should have been on that list.
its funny, the miata should have been on that list.
03-12-2003, 02:57 PM
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Everyone's got their favorites. Hmm,
BMW M1 (1985 ?)
Lambo Countach (original bad boy toy)
Group V Pantera (love the big wing)
Shelby Cobra (gas tank on wheels)
Dodge Viper (modern gas tank on wheels)
Ferrari F355
McLaren F1
Ferrari GTO
Dodge Super Bee
and I only get one more? Lotus Elise
BMW M1 (1985 ?)
Lambo Countach (original bad boy toy)
Group V Pantera (love the big wing)
Shelby Cobra (gas tank on wheels)
Dodge Viper (modern gas tank on wheels)
Ferrari F355
McLaren F1
Ferrari GTO
Dodge Super Bee
and I only get one more? Lotus Elise
03-12-2003, 06:13 PM
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Lamborghini Miura
Ferrari 250LM
Austin Healey 3000
Aston Martin DB5
Ferrari F355
BMW M3 E30
1967 Corvette 396cu in
MB 300SL gullwing
McLaren F1 LM
Pagani Zonda S
And if I could have more, Caterham RS 400(?), Ferrari F40, original NSX type R, 993 GT2, and maybe an s2000
Ferrari 250LM
Austin Healey 3000
Aston Martin DB5
Ferrari F355
BMW M3 E30
1967 Corvette 396cu in
MB 300SL gullwing
McLaren F1 LM
Pagani Zonda S
And if I could have more, Caterham RS 400(?), Ferrari F40, original NSX type R, 993 GT2, and maybe an s2000
03-14-2003, 07:17 PM
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Originally posted by prl demon
1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4, 1991 Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo
These two cars clearly were made marks in 1991 along with the NSX.
1. Build quality sure as hell better have been better if you pay 80k for a car compared to 30k. Not that the build quality on ANY of these cars is anywhere LOWER than excellent. If you have doubts you've probably heard mediocre horror stories about the trannies, etc. but there are many cars you can find on 3si that are in excellent condition, a fine example is Powelsound's car. These 3 cars hold up very well in general.
2. Innovative? All of these cars made a huge impact on the image of sports cars in the U.S.. Twin Turbos? 270HP out of an N/A motor? Electronic suspension?
3. Style is all opinion.
4. Luxury: All of these cars came with leather wrapped interiors. I'm not sure about the NSX and 300ZX but the 3000GT came with 8-way adjustable power seats, color digital climate control and steering wheel mounted radio controls to name a few.
5. Technology: 270HP out of an N/A motor at that time is definately remarkable. So is VTEC. But I'd say building cars dependant on new technology such as turbo's that was available at a reasonable price is equal if not more technologically advanced. Turbos(300ZX and 3000GT), intercoolers(3000GT unsure of 300ZX), all wheel drive(3000GT only), 4-wheel steering(300ZX and 3000GT), electronic suspension(300ZX and 3000GT).
6. Performance: Comparable in all three of these cars. And like said before, this is what some people only care about. If one can get a car that can run 14.0 for 80k or another for 30k, what do you think they'd pick?
These are all just my opinions. If you want to attack my car, please come up with something more interesting and researched than 'piece of crap' etc.
Thanks.
1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4, 1991 Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo
These two cars clearly were made marks in 1991 along with the NSX.
1. Build quality sure as hell better have been better if you pay 80k for a car compared to 30k. Not that the build quality on ANY of these cars is anywhere LOWER than excellent. If you have doubts you've probably heard mediocre horror stories about the trannies, etc. but there are many cars you can find on 3si that are in excellent condition, a fine example is Powelsound's car. These 3 cars hold up very well in general.
2. Innovative? All of these cars made a huge impact on the image of sports cars in the U.S.. Twin Turbos? 270HP out of an N/A motor? Electronic suspension?
3. Style is all opinion.
4. Luxury: All of these cars came with leather wrapped interiors. I'm not sure about the NSX and 300ZX but the 3000GT came with 8-way adjustable power seats, color digital climate control and steering wheel mounted radio controls to name a few.
5. Technology: 270HP out of an N/A motor at that time is definately remarkable. So is VTEC. But I'd say building cars dependant on new technology such as turbo's that was available at a reasonable price is equal if not more technologically advanced. Turbos(300ZX and 3000GT), intercoolers(3000GT unsure of 300ZX), all wheel drive(3000GT only), 4-wheel steering(300ZX and 3000GT), electronic suspension(300ZX and 3000GT).
6. Performance: Comparable in all three of these cars. And like said before, this is what some people only care about. If one can get a car that can run 14.0 for 80k or another for 30k, what do you think they'd pick?
These are all just my opinions. If you want to attack my car, please come up with something more interesting and researched than 'piece of crap' etc.
Thanks.
When you talk about 270HP, is that to the wheel or at the crank? Given the weight of the GTO, I don't think it would be very fast at all. PRobably a waste of petrol too. Did VR4 come out with T Tops? Was it offered as a 2 seater, 2+2 and or in convertible form?
When you talk about $30K, is that for an NA or a TT GTO/VR4? I think that's mighty expensive for an NA, and even still for a TT.
All I can say is, you cannot compare these cars (Z included) with the NSX. The X is well build, has a great engine with the performance to match. It is almost a supercar, but at least its affordable. I would pick it over Carrera or an M3/M5, but I would still take the 350z. Yes, it is only around $29k, but think of what I could do to it (from the money I've saved) :-)
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