Test drove a Carrera 4S, was frustrated
#31
Not sure from whom you heard that, but it definitely gained weight.
My 2006 987S weighs 2954 lb
2014 981 Cayman S weighs 3079 lb (per C&D Lightning Lap 2014)
2018 718 Cayman S weighs 3162 lb (per C&D Lightning Lap 2017)
Also, the 718 model has a smaller fuel tank (4-5 gallons smaller) to help give the perception that weight gain was minimal.
My 2006 987S weighs 2954 lb
2014 981 Cayman S weighs 3079 lb (per C&D Lightning Lap 2014)
2018 718 Cayman S weighs 3162 lb (per C&D Lightning Lap 2017)
Also, the 718 model has a smaller fuel tank (4-5 gallons smaller) to help give the perception that weight gain was minimal.
#32
I think it's one of those technicalities the Germans are so fond of. Most of the current sports cars from Porsche come with a smaller 12 gallon fuel tank standard. Of course, the "expanded capacity" 16 gallon fuel tank is a $0 option, and pretty much every car they produce has one.
#33
Seems like a downgrade from your Cayman. Why bother?
I hear you about disconnected feel. I am plotting what fun car to buy in a few years, and a big part of me just wants to get an Ariel Atom or Morgan 3-Wheeler. I want something that's fun at any speed, not just when thrashing the crap out of it - which with most modern performance cars means ridiculous speeds for the street.
I hear you about disconnected feel. I am plotting what fun car to buy in a few years, and a big part of me just wants to get an Ariel Atom or Morgan 3-Wheeler. I want something that's fun at any speed, not just when thrashing the crap out of it - which with most modern performance cars means ridiculous speeds for the street.
#34
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Having driven a 997.1 c2s, 997.2 turbo s, and a few 991 c2s's, I can say that the 997 felt way more communicative and dynamic. The 991 definitely felt more like a GT car, and with their higher limits don't feel as much fun going slower on the streets.
Comparing the 997 turbo s to the c2s, my memory is that the steering was dramatically better in the non-AWD model. The c2s literally didn't feel like it had a nose, the turn-in was insanely sharp and effortless, and I loved the steering feel. I haven't driven any older Porsche models but I'd imagine older generations to be even more raw.
I've driven a lot of F8x M cars and the 997 c2s is definitely way more raw / exciting to drive spiritedly (when not just going WOT in a straightline). Honestly the 997 turbo s was more fun in the canyons and felt much faster in a straightline than the M3/M4 to me as well
Comparing the 997 turbo s to the c2s, my memory is that the steering was dramatically better in the non-AWD model. The c2s literally didn't feel like it had a nose, the turn-in was insanely sharp and effortless, and I loved the steering feel. I haven't driven any older Porsche models but I'd imagine older generations to be even more raw.
I've driven a lot of F8x M cars and the 997 c2s is definitely way more raw / exciting to drive spiritedly (when not just going WOT in a straightline). Honestly the 997 turbo s was more fun in the canyons and felt much faster in a straightline than the M3/M4 to me as well
#35
I've driven a 997 Carrera and the steering feel was pretty phenomenal. It's one of those, once you experience it, you understand it. Haven't driven a 991.2 yet. But I'd imagine the C4 with the awd will mute the steering feel. The car I liked more than the 997? The Cayman. The one I drove was a 2007 base model, so bottom of the rung. But damn, the way the car rotates with the throttle and how it turns-in is something amazing, the pure physics of being mid-engine. Driving the 997, I could feel the rear engine hanging out there and didn't particularly care for it. Maybe the 991.2 with rear steering fixes that feel.
But I'm angling for a 718 in a few years. 2.0L turbo, mid-engine, and I'm hoping COBB will have the AccessPort available for it by then for some easy power gains. The 718 Cayman S with the 2.5L engine just came in 2nd place in Motor Trends Car of the Year competition behind the Ferrari 488. The 718 wasn't even suppose to be in the COTY competition, but Porsche couldn't deliver some 911 variant. In the C&D Lightning Lap, they said the 718 was the favorite of many on the track.
But I'm angling for a 718 in a few years. 2.0L turbo, mid-engine, and I'm hoping COBB will have the AccessPort available for it by then for some easy power gains. The 718 Cayman S with the 2.5L engine just came in 2nd place in Motor Trends Car of the Year competition behind the Ferrari 488. The 718 wasn't even suppose to be in the COTY competition, but Porsche couldn't deliver some 911 variant. In the C&D Lightning Lap, they said the 718 was the favorite of many on the track.
#36
On a side note, if you're ever in Los Angeles, or Atlanta, hit up the Porsche Experience Center. They have a mid vs rear engine course you can take along with rear vs awd. Among many other courses. So if you want a good chuck of seat time to figure out what you really want, PEC is a good way to do it.
#37
I've driven a 997 Carrera and the steering feel was pretty phenomenal. It's one of those, once you experience it, you understand it. Haven't driven a 991.2 yet. But I'd imagine the C4 with the awd will mute the steering feel. The car I liked more than the 997? The Cayman. The one I drove was a 2007 base model, so bottom of the rung. But damn, the way the car rotates with the throttle and how it turns-in is something amazing, the pure physics of being mid-engine. Driving the 997, I could feel the rear engine hanging out there and didn't particularly care for it. Maybe the 991.2 with rear steering fixes that feel.
But I'm angling for a 718 in a few years. 2.0L turbo, mid-engine, and I'm hoping COBB will have the AccessPort available for it by then for some easy power gains. The 718 Cayman S with the 2.5L engine just came in 2nd place in Motor Trends Car of the Year competition behind the Ferrari 488. The 718 wasn't even suppose to be in the COTY competition, but Porsche couldn't deliver some 911 variant. In the C&D Lightning Lap, they said the 718 was the favorite of many on the track.
But I'm angling for a 718 in a few years. 2.0L turbo, mid-engine, and I'm hoping COBB will have the AccessPort available for it by then for some easy power gains. The 718 Cayman S with the 2.5L engine just came in 2nd place in Motor Trends Car of the Year competition behind the Ferrari 488. The 718 wasn't even suppose to be in the COTY competition, but Porsche couldn't deliver some 911 variant. In the C&D Lightning Lap, they said the 718 was the favorite of many on the track.
#38
But I'm angling for a 718 in a few years. 2.0L turbo, mid-engine, and I'm hoping COBB will have the AccessPort available for it by then for some easy power gains. The 718 Cayman S with the 2.5L engine just came in 2nd place in Motor Trends Car of the Year competition behind the Ferrari 488. The 718 wasn't even suppose to be in the COTY competition, but Porsche couldn't deliver some 911 variant. In the C&D Lightning Lap, they said the 718 was the favorite of many on the track.
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#40
Personally, I think the 2.0L will be more reliable than the 2.5L when subjected to extended high-rpm use. Like with WRXs, the EJ20 seems to be much more robust than the EJ25. I think a large contributing factor is the 2.0Ls having smaller bores and shorter strokes, so lower piston speeds/accelerations and less side loading. A twin-scroll GTX3071R on the 2.0L would make for a fun package.