Sport Compact Car Article... EVO vs. 911 C4S, M3, & S4.........
07-24-2003, 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by DavidM
Also the C4S is pretty much faster than the C2 in most track conditions, with a skilled driver. It is a little bit slower on the straights but with bigger, stronger brakes, and better chassis dynamics it has lapped most tracks faster than even the C2 w/sports suspension.
Hi Fanman, I was not aware of that ... just the 996 C2 and C4 relation (which goes in favour of the C2). Have you got any more info about the C4S vs C2? Any actual lap-times (from magazines)?
Also the C4S is pretty much faster than the C2 in most track conditions, with a skilled driver. It is a little bit slower on the straights but with bigger, stronger brakes, and better chassis dynamics it has lapped most tracks faster than even the C2 w/sports suspension.
Hi Fanman, I was not aware of that ... just the 996 C2 and C4 relation (which goes in favour of the C2). Have you got any more info about the C4S vs C2? Any actual lap-times (from magazines)?
07-24-2003, 10:27 PM
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Here are the numbers with the Vishnu Stage Zero EVO:
0-60
Evo 5.9
M3 5.4
C4S 5.5
S4 5.6
Vishnu 4.7
1/4 mi.
Evo 14.0
M3 13.6
C4S 13.6
S4 13.8
Vishnu 13.1
5-60
Evo 7.2
M3 5.2
C4S 5.5
S4 5.8
Vishnu ?
60-0
Evo 113 ft.
M3 110 ft.
C4S 112 ft.
S4 118 ft.
Vishnu ?
Skidpad
Evo .93
M3 .91
C4S .94
S4 .88
Vishnu .96
Lap Time (Streets of Willow)
Evo 1:37.41
M3 1:38.08
C4S 1:36.29
S4 1:39.98
Vishnu 1:35.79
"If we had included [the Vishnu EVO] in the test, its domination would be laughable given its cost. Over the reoad, the Vishun EVO's additional power and improved handling balance are remarkable, relative to the stock car. Corner exit speeds are ludicrous and it literally smoked the [911 C4S] on any road we visited. It was also significantly more fuel efficient than the stock EVO thanks to leaner fuel mapping."
0-60
Evo 5.9
M3 5.4
C4S 5.5
S4 5.6
Vishnu 4.7
1/4 mi.
Evo 14.0
M3 13.6
C4S 13.6
S4 13.8
Vishnu 13.1
5-60
Evo 7.2
M3 5.2
C4S 5.5
S4 5.8
Vishnu ?
60-0
Evo 113 ft.
M3 110 ft.
C4S 112 ft.
S4 118 ft.
Vishnu ?
Skidpad
Evo .93
M3 .91
C4S .94
S4 .88
Vishnu .96
Lap Time (Streets of Willow)
Evo 1:37.41
M3 1:38.08
C4S 1:36.29
S4 1:39.98
Vishnu 1:35.79
"If we had included [the Vishnu EVO] in the test, its domination would be laughable given its cost. Over the reoad, the Vishun EVO's additional power and improved handling balance are remarkable, relative to the stock car. Corner exit speeds are ludicrous and it literally smoked the [911 C4S] on any road we visited. It was also significantly more fuel efficient than the stock EVO thanks to leaner fuel mapping."
07-24-2003, 11:33 PM
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Take a look at the June 2002 Excellence magazine. The C4S lapped Nurburgring in a faster time (by 4 sec. with Porsche factory driver) than the C2...
Thansk Fanman, I'll check out the mag when I get the chance. Meanwhile, do you know what are the lap-times they mentioned?
Thansk Fanman, I'll check out the mag when I get the chance. Meanwhile, do you know what are the lap-times they mentioned?
07-25-2003, 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by DavidM
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ps. I don't see how a clutch has much to do with the 5-60mph time. The clutch is fully engaged before they floor the car and hence tghere's no slip ... if there was then in particluar the lap time would sugger. The only time the clutch should have been involved in the 5-60mph exercise is when changin from 2nd to 3rd and the slip there is not going to make too much difference there (as it would be then reflected in the 0-60mph time which can have the clutch slip on the 'launch' and the 1st-to-2nd change).
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ps. I don't see how a clutch has much to do with the 5-60mph time. The clutch is fully engaged before they floor the car and hence tghere's no slip ... if there was then in particluar the lap time would sugger. The only time the clutch should have been involved in the 5-60mph exercise is when changin from 2nd to 3rd and the slip there is not going to make too much difference there (as it would be then reflected in the 0-60mph time which can have the clutch slip on the 'launch' and the 1st-to-2nd change).
07-25-2003, 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by DJSang
damn magazine was plastic wrapped, like those porn mags... couldn't read it at the bookstore.. boo!
damn magazine was plastic wrapped, like those porn mags... couldn't read it at the bookstore.. boo!
Wouldn't the turbo lag affect the 5-60 times more than a slipping
clutch??
07-25-2003, 12:20 PM
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I can't believe the M3 performed that well against the competition...
07-25-2003, 04:55 PM
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I have been debating on whether to purchase an evo, sti, or m3. Obviously bang for buck lies with the evo or sti but i dont think i could drive either with the rear wing and hood scoop on the sti.
This article proves that the M3 is an excellent performer and even though it does cost significantly more it looks like a bargain compared to the 911.
I wasnt surprised by the results as SCC would obviously be biased towards the compact japanese import.
This article proves that the M3 is an excellent performer and even though it does cost significantly more it looks like a bargain compared to the 911.
I wasnt surprised by the results as SCC would obviously be biased towards the compact japanese import.
07-27-2003, 12:01 PM
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The Evo has some pretty nasty turbo lag, too (from what I hear), which would account for the slow 5-60 times.
Someone mentioned that they'd like to see the cars all on same tires--that'd be a good idea, but what I REALLY want to see is an actual race series where the only thing you could do to a showroom stock car would be to change the tires (and install a rollcage/5 pt. harness). No other changes allowed. That'd be SWEEEET!
Someone mentioned that they'd like to see the cars all on same tires--that'd be a good idea, but what I REALLY want to see is an actual race series where the only thing you could do to a showroom stock car would be to change the tires (and install a rollcage/5 pt. harness). No other changes allowed. That'd be SWEEEET!