Solstice GXP vs boxter
10-04-2006, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Slithr,Oct 4 2006, 11:44 AM
They said it had more brake dive and body roll than the Boxster. They didn't say it had lots of body roll/understeer. I got the impression it was set up with a bias towards understeer, but no where did it give the article say that the understeer was a problem. If so, then getting on the gas to use that torque would push you right off the edge of the track.
With no more of a straight line advantage than it has, see the 0-60 and 1/4 times, the handling couldn't be that bad or there's no way it could put well over a second on the P car on that tight a track.
With no more of a straight line advantage than it has, see the 0-60 and 1/4 times, the handling couldn't be that bad or there's no way it could put well over a second on the P car on that tight a track.
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10-04-2006, 12:35 PM
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Not too surprising. The regular Soltice dominated the previously-overdog Miatas in C Stock at the SCCA Solo2 Nationals last week. And all season, the regular Soltice has also been quite dominant in SCCA SSB road racing.
The factory Soltice chassis and suspension design is proving to be phenominal. That factory tuning combined with a generous amount of wide wheel and tire ensure that the Soltice has lateral grip that most cars can't touch.
Just like the S2000, the Solitice's performance is proving to be greater than the sum of its parts.
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The factory Soltice chassis and suspension design is proving to be phenominal. That factory tuning combined with a generous amount of wide wheel and tire ensure that the Soltice has lateral grip that most cars can't touch.
Just like the S2000, the Solitice's performance is proving to be greater than the sum of its parts.
Andrew
10-04-2006, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by aklucsarits,Oct 4 2006, 12:35 PM
That factory tuning combined with a generous amount of wide wheel and tire ensure that the Soltice has lateral grip that most cars can't touch.
I found a link to the Gingerman Raceway track layout. Not exactly an autocross. Maybe some of the racer types have commentsd based on the track config.
http://www.gingermanraceway.com/specs.html
10-05-2006, 08:33 AM
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[QUOTE=aklucsarits,Oct 5 2006, 04:10 AM]Skidpad numbers for a car have very little to do with the amount of lateral grip that a car has available for transitional maneuvers.
An SCCA Showroom Stock B or C Stock Soltice comes with 8" wide wheels all around and it can fit 285 width DOT R-Compounds all around - Considerably more tire than an S2000 can fit. On a 2800 lb car, that equals MASSIVE grip.
At the SCCA Solo2 Nationals last week, C Stock, 170hp Pontiac Solstices were turing in times equal to the A Stock, 240hp S2000s. In fact, the winner of C Stock, driving a brand new Solstice, beat the fastest A Stock S2000 time by over 1/2 sec over the two day event. This is all the more amazing because the S2000 has over 6 years of stock class AutoX development time into it. The Soltice only has 3 months, and the Solstices will only get faster.
If the regular Solstices are already that fast, I shudder to imagine
An SCCA Showroom Stock B or C Stock Soltice comes with 8" wide wheels all around and it can fit 285 width DOT R-Compounds all around - Considerably more tire than an S2000 can fit. On a 2800 lb car, that equals MASSIVE grip.
At the SCCA Solo2 Nationals last week, C Stock, 170hp Pontiac Solstices were turing in times equal to the A Stock, 240hp S2000s. In fact, the winner of C Stock, driving a brand new Solstice, beat the fastest A Stock S2000 time by over 1/2 sec over the two day event. This is all the more amazing because the S2000 has over 6 years of stock class AutoX development time into it. The Soltice only has 3 months, and the Solstices will only get faster.
If the regular Solstices are already that fast, I shudder to imagine
10-05-2006, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by aklucsarits,Oct 5 2006, 08:10 AM
Skidpad numbers for a car have very little to do with the amount of lateral grip that a car has available for transitional maneuvers.
An SCCA Showroom Stock B or C Stock Soltice comes with 8" wide wheels all around and it can fit 285 width DOT R-Compounds all around - Considerably more tire than an S2000 can fit. On a 2800 lb car, that equals MASSIVE grip.
At the SCCA Solo2 Nationals last week, C Stock, 170hp Pontiac Solstices were turing in times equal to the A Stock, 240hp S2000s. In fact, the winner of C Stock, driving a brand new Solstice, beat the fastest A Stock S2000 time by over 1/2 sec over the two day event. This is all the more amazing because the S2000 has over 6 years of stock class AutoX development time into it. The Soltice only has 3 months, and the Solstices will only get faster.
If the regular Solstices are already that fast, I shudder to imagine how fast the GXP Solstices will be with a set of R Compounds. I just pray that the Solstice GXP goes to the Super Stock class, because I own two A Stock cars, and I'm pretty sure that a stock class GXP will be able to dominate either of them.
Anrdew
An SCCA Showroom Stock B or C Stock Soltice comes with 8" wide wheels all around and it can fit 285 width DOT R-Compounds all around - Considerably more tire than an S2000 can fit. On a 2800 lb car, that equals MASSIVE grip.
At the SCCA Solo2 Nationals last week, C Stock, 170hp Pontiac Solstices were turing in times equal to the A Stock, 240hp S2000s. In fact, the winner of C Stock, driving a brand new Solstice, beat the fastest A Stock S2000 time by over 1/2 sec over the two day event. This is all the more amazing because the S2000 has over 6 years of stock class AutoX development time into it. The Soltice only has 3 months, and the Solstices will only get faster.
If the regular Solstices are already that fast, I shudder to imagine how fast the GXP Solstices will be with a set of R Compounds. I just pray that the Solstice GXP goes to the Super Stock class, because I own two A Stock cars, and I'm pretty sure that a stock class GXP will be able to dominate either of them.
Anrdew
10-05-2006, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Suzukaboy,Oct 5 2006, 11:33 AM
With regard to your SCCA Solo2 comments is it possible that the Base Solstice will be a better stock autox car than the stock GXP will be?
They both have the same size wheels and same Z0-whatever suspension option. The GXP has 90 more HP and lb.ft, but weighs about 100lbs more. The real deal breaker for the GXP for autoX might be the gearing though. If second gear is too short, it might not be a great autoX car.
My gut instinct is that extra 90HP can certainly make up for 100 lbs, and the 2nd gear would have to be REALLY bad for the GXP to be slower than the regular Solstice at autoX though.
Andrew