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Old 08-17-2009, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr.E.G.,Aug 17 2009, 07:08 AM
Now, every Mustang I have driven that has an aftermarket clutch took all of my 130 lbs (at the time) to depress the damn thing. I don't know how anyone could daily drive such a clutch.
You can thank the mechanical clutch for that. I had a 600rwhp fox that had a Spec stage 3 clutch. Couldn't handle driving it for more than a half hour at a time. Why Ford didn't see fit to use hydraulic clutches is beyond me.
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Originally Posted by Jimmies,Aug 17 2009, 07:26 AM
You can thank the mechanical clutch for that. I had a 600rwhp fox that had a Spec stage 3 clutch. Couldn't handle driving it for more than a half hour at a time. Why Ford didn't see fit to use hydraulic clutches is beyond me.
probably the same reason as the solid rear axles- they some how justified it performance or reliability wise, but ultimately it was just cheaper
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Well, solid axles are better for the heritage of the car - drag racing. That one's more understandable.
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Originally Posted by Jimmies,Aug 17 2009, 07:49 AM
Well, solid axles are better for the heritage of the car - drag racing. That one's more understandable.
ehh, I don't disagree reall

just technology, IMO, has gotten independent suspension past that hurdle. I think they just used them because they were cheaper. Wasn't the regular mustang the fastest car under 20 grand for a while?
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ITR had a great shifter...

the worst?

Z31 turbo.

the second worst?

my 914
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All honda MTs tend to have very smooth shifter feel. personally I loved my Evo 5-speed, very firm and smooth. My friend's 350Z on the other hand, talk about notchy and 'clicky' (not 'snick' clicky LOL)
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zach, IRS rear still does not stand up to drag racing abuse like the solid rear. Though for a while there was a brisk business of swapping axles between the Cobra and Mach 1 owners.

I won't disagree about the Mustang being made cheaply (e.g. iron block, but also durable). That is how they sold more cheaply than GM F-bodies and why they survived while F-bodies went bye-bye.
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Originally Posted by zachismisitok,Aug 17 2009, 08:26 AM
ehh, I don't disagree reall

just technology, IMO, has gotten independent suspension past that hurdle. I think they just used them because they were cheaper. Wasn't the regular mustang the fastest car under 20 grand for a while?
While IRS has improved by leaps and bound, it is still rather difficult to design an IRS setup that is good in terms of handling and launching. By nature, rear wishbone setups go into negative camber under squat and this is less than desirable when maintaining the largest possible contact patch is your goal. A solid rear axle (theoretically) has no camber change under squat.

The effect is more or less pronounced depending on the swing axle length of the IRS, but it is virtually impossible to make it go away altogether and have good control of camber in roll.
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[QUOTE=zachismisitok,Aug 17 2009, 08:26 AM] just
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You said live axle when I think you meant IRS. just a heads up.


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