steve c

I think we are all aware of the domination taking place for the past couple of years in SS by the Z06

QUIKAG

Nah, just means GM will sell more Z06's to those that wish to be in the dominant car in SS.

Penforhire

You might be right about moving up the Z06 but ASP is a pretty harsh penalty for a stock Z06. Car classing is always so political at SCCA. They don't want to alienate certain groups of drivers but then they end up with class overdogs. I was hugely pissed at the ruling body when they first dumped the ITR in with my G-stock GSR. Sure they fixed it a year or so later, but that was an ugly year.

Is the late-model Miata any less of a dominator in its class? And I feel bad for Lotus drivers too.

There's enough new cars coming out that SS may get scrambled (again). Maybe they should split it into two MORE stock classes, with 911TT, Z06, Cobra R, and similar together (Elise?).

PedalFaster

Racing and Competition might be a more appropriate forum for this discussion.

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alexf20c

If the Z06 doesn't belong in SS because of its domination, the same could be said about the S2000 and Miata in their respective classes.

PedalFaster

While I disagree with moving the Z06 to ASP, it's worth noting that its dominance over SS is almost total; the S2000 and Miata do not have nearly as strong a grip on their respective classes.

There was only one non-Corvette out of the forty-three entrants at this year's Nationals (although some of those may not have been Z06s), and the car has won at Nationals every year since it was introduced. Conversely, fully a quarter of the BS trophies were taken by cars other than the S2000, and a third of the CS trophies were won in MR2 Spyders, so the opposition in those classes is still kicking.

Steve

steve c

You make a good point, but where do you draw that line? Certainly a 50,000 dollar corvette is beyond the means of many folks.

And yet the ITR was kicked out of GS for showing the same domination as the Z06 does in SS.

PedalFaster

Absolutely, which is why there are eight less expensive classes residing beneath Super Stock. Super Stock itself doesn't appear to be broken either, given its healthy participation numbers year after year.

What I'm interested in seeing is whether the new Elise will go into SS, and if so, if it will be able to beat the Z06s.

I wouldn't quite characterize it that way. For one thing, SS is the top Stock class -- the jump from Stock to Street Prepared is a bigger one than from class to class, not necessarily in terms of PAX, but rather in terms of monetary investment and setup expertise required.

Also, I wasn't seriously into autocross at the time of the Stock restructure, but I don't recall the Type R being "kicked out" of a class -- wasn't it moved as part of a class reshuffle similar to the one that created the new AS?

Steve