S2k vs. F-Type
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Originally Posted by Lazyrider69
I think a lot of people perceive that a lower cost car company like Honda cannot set benchmarks in pure performance like a Ferrari, Aston, McLaren, Porsche etc. can... The Gearbox and Engine and even the highly rigid open top chassis on the S2000 were all benchmarks..... But the reality is that Honda is just as competitive and exceeds these other companies on some levels... it is their business model that differs. The F20c engine as I mentioned and referred to many times is known to be one of the best NA engines EVER MADE...... Regardless of price of car..... I think that is pretty cool....
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The early S2k boxes were good but the one I drove (a first year car) was occasionally just somewhat reluctant to engage. No slop, just reluctance. The later boxes on the 2.2L cars were as good as any box I've ever driven and a good bit better than many Miata boxes I've used. BTW, I do think the '97 Accord shifter was quite good.
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Originally Posted by Lazyrider69
I think a lot of people perceive that a lower cost car company like Honda cannot set benchmarks in pure performance like a Ferrari, Aston, McLaren, Porsche etc. can... The Gearbox and Engine and even the highly rigid open top chassis on the S2000 were all benchmarks..... But the reality is that Honda is just as competitive and exceeds these other companies on some levels... it is their business model that differs. The F20c engine as I mentioned and referred to many times is known to be one of the best NA engines EVER MADE...... Regardless of price of car..... I think that is pretty cool....
But how is it possible that with all the mundane chatter that goes on here with long threads..... AND THAT topic of Car and Driver article barely had any chatter????
Guess people prefer the sibling rivalry between AP1 and AP2....
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There is no doubt the gear box is good. I've not driven anything I thought was "better" but I think the s box could have been improved.
Mine was notchy at low rpms, even with fresh fluid and slow shifts. But 100k my front synchro had got a burr on it which eventually worked itself away.
Above 5k the tranny was a blast with solid feedback and silky smooth action.
Others I've driven dont have that solid feedback and always leave me questioning if I am in gear.
Since Honda doesn't make this gear box anymore I think a new "best in production" spot needs to be filled. It makes a bunch of owners feel good to claim they own the best gear box but it's rather moot if you cannot get it in a modern car.
Mine was notchy at low rpms, even with fresh fluid and slow shifts. But 100k my front synchro had got a burr on it which eventually worked itself away.
Above 5k the tranny was a blast with solid feedback and silky smooth action.
Others I've driven dont have that solid feedback and always leave me questioning if I am in gear.
Since Honda doesn't make this gear box anymore I think a new "best in production" spot needs to be filled. It makes a bunch of owners feel good to claim they own the best gear box but it's rather moot if you cannot get it in a modern car.
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Did Honda actually make the S2k gearbox? I thought (and I'm likely as not wrong) it was an Aisin gearbox. I also recall the rear end being the same one Mazda used in one of their cars (not the Miata of the time). Again I may be very wrong.
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They made the gear box. The LSD was a torson diff.
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Originally Posted by rockville' timestamp='1429463005' post='23583554
Did Honda actually make the S2k gearbox? I thought (and I'm likely as not wrong) it was an Aisin gearbox. I also recall the rear end being the same one Mazda used in one of their cars (not the Miata of the time). Again I may be very wrong.
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Originally Posted by rob-2' timestamp='1429467025' post='23583592
[quote name='rockville' timestamp='1429463005' post='23583554']
Did Honda actually make the S2k gearbox? I thought (and I'm likely as not wrong) it was an Aisin gearbox. I also recall the rear end being the same one Mazda used in one of their cars (not the Miata of the time). Again I may be very wrong.
Did Honda actually make the S2k gearbox? I thought (and I'm likely as not wrong) it was an Aisin gearbox. I also recall the rear end being the same one Mazda used in one of their cars (not the Miata of the time). Again I may be very wrong.
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I am not certain about that detail.
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Originally Posted by rockville' timestamp='1429463005' post='23583554
Did Honda actually make the S2k gearbox? I thought (and I'm likely as not wrong) it was an Aisin gearbox. I also recall the rear end being the same one Mazda used in one of their cars (not the Miata of the time). Again I may be very wrong.
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Among Honda manuals, the S2000, Civic, and Accord are all direct, positive experiences, but the only Manuals Honda makes any more don't include S2000s anymore, and haven't for 6 years now.