R8 vs. GT-R vs. AMV8 vs. 911CS
08-14-2008, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by dickiejohnson,Aug 14 2008, 04:44 PM
Cool format, but a bit troublesome. 
Can someone interpret this statement about the GT-R?
I understand they're praising it, but what's red wine gum?
Can someone interpret this statement about the GT-R?
I understand they're praising it, but what's red wine gum?
Those crazy europeans....
08-14-2008, 05:13 PM
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The explain the wine gums early in the article -- they're a type of candy, and the author saves his favorite flavor, red, for last.
Wikipedia is your friend, by the way.
Wikipedia is your friend, by the way.
At first I thought it was a chewing gum that contains wine. 
08-15-2008, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by dickiejohnson,Aug 14 2008, 07:44 PM
Cool format, but a bit troublesome.
Can someone interpret this statement about the GT-R?
I understand they're praising it, but what's red wine gum?
Can someone interpret this statement about the GT-R?
I understand they're praising it, but what's red wine gum?
red wine gum is a gummy candy. just like the gummy life savers.
i just found out what they are last week. they apparently have them for sale at AMC movie theaters. they taste OK, but smell really funky.
08-22-2008, 04:36 AM
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The initial writer (Jethro Bovingdon) seems to be fairly naive/ignorant/biased, quite frankly. His opening statement had me wondering if he'd just gotten out of diapers. I quote:
Tall tales of snap oversteer? An appetite for punishing those who dare push to its limits? Nothing tall about those tales - the cars were notorious for lift-throttle shenanigans (far worse than a typical car) and the number of accidents caused by said attribute, combined with unskilled or overconfident driving, is huge. Tim Horton (Canadians will know him well) was killed when his 911 snap oversteered. From the 993 backwards, the 911 has always required a significant amount of skill and care to drive quickly.
He later says his first Porsche he drove was a 996, a car that had the snap oversteer pretty much completely dialed out of it in anything remotely resembling sane driving. The 993, on the other hand, was still quite tail happy and prior generations were even worse. Not sure why he'd ever say that the 911's tendency to snap oversteer is a "tall tale", except because he's ignorant or just a Porsche nut.
He also misused the word "illicit" on page 5. He should have used "elicit"....
Other than that, seems to be a great article with some nice perspectives on each car. Great photos, great roads, and the new PDK transmission sounds like a gem. I do wonder about the 911 losing some of its steering feel, though, as the steering on the 911 has always been quite good, almost a trademark.
"A lot has been written about the Porsche 911 over the years - tall tales of snap-oversteer, unpredictability, and an appetite for punishing those who dare push to its limits."
He later says his first Porsche he drove was a 996, a car that had the snap oversteer pretty much completely dialed out of it in anything remotely resembling sane driving. The 993, on the other hand, was still quite tail happy and prior generations were even worse. Not sure why he'd ever say that the 911's tendency to snap oversteer is a "tall tale", except because he's ignorant or just a Porsche nut.
He also misused the word "illicit" on page 5. He should have used "elicit"....
Other than that, seems to be a great article with some nice perspectives on each car. Great photos, great roads, and the new PDK transmission sounds like a gem. I do wonder about the 911 losing some of its steering feel, though, as the steering on the 911 has always been quite good, almost a trademark.
08-22-2008, 05:50 PM
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My dad never had problems w/ snap oversteer on his old '79 911 SC. Just like the early S2000's, you have to stay on the gas through the corner at high cornering forces, even when instinct may be to let off.
Snap oversteer usually refers to someone running out of driving talent.
Snap oversteer usually refers to someone running out of driving talent.
08-23-2008, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris S,Aug 22 2008, 07:50 PM
My dad never had problems w/ snap oversteer on his old '79 911 SC. Just like the early S2000's, you have to stay on the gas through the corner at high cornering forces, even when instinct may be to let off.
Snap oversteer usually refers to someone running out of driving talent.
Snap oversteer usually refers to someone running out of driving talent.
My problem with the writer was that he completely dismissed such notions about the 911. The problems were very real and undeniable. The 911 was not a forgiving car at all...