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Old 03-23-2006 | 04:22 PM
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i understand that an inexperienced biker should not purchase a powerful bike such as a hayabusa or any gsx-r cycle.
if the bike is driven reasonably can it be used as a starter bike?
is this the equivalent to buying a new z06 as a first car? sure the car could kill you if you take it to its potential but it can be an ok first car if you drive around like a granny.
is the bike simply harder to ride compared to a bike that is 'suited' for beginners?
Old 03-23-2006 | 04:34 PM
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not at all my first bike was a 02 r1 so size don't matter,but have now like smaller bikes but i stunt now.the power on 600 and the bigger bikes are not that much at all, but all sport bike are fast and can be fatal.
Old 03-23-2006 | 04:50 PM
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I would by no means buy any 1000cc or bigger bike for a first. At that I would buy any NEW bike either. My first bike was a brand new GSXR600....I taught myself how to ride on it and did pretty good but I also laid it down once. Wasnt bad but it sucks messing up a new bike. Just my advice.
Old 03-23-2006 | 06:11 PM
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any street bike that is light weight should be easy to ride. you are of average height and physical endurance to match the task

get the bike you want, personal restraint is necessary, especially for a sportbike you should know yourself better than anyone how long you will last. this is no different than anything in life.

buy a used bike and reserve money up front for a racing quality helmet, gloves, jacket, boots.
Old 03-24-2006 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by sodaking663rd,Mar 23 2006, 08:22 PM
is this the equivalent to buying a new z06 as a first car?
No, it's more like the equivalent of driving a Supercharged Suburban... Tons of power & torque, but also lots of mass and a longer wheelbase, but with an evil twist; a very aggressive riding position... Coupled with the lack of an appreciation for just how much power you have on tap should you decide to crack the throttle wide open, makes for a very risky combination.

So, the short answer is, Yes. If you have the money, a long enough inseam, and a lot of self control you could learn to ride on one of the 500+ lb wet / 1000+ cc / 150+ hp / 180+ mph GT sportbikes like a 'busa, CBR1100, K1200S, or Kawa ZX 12/14s.

However, it will take you longer to become a better rider than it would if you started off with a smaller and more nimble bike with less mass. Smaller sport bikes are lighter, have shorter wheelbases, and are therefore much easier to control. Even better are the 500cc - 600cc sport bikes that don't have full cowlings as they can be dropped (9 out of 10 new riders will drop their first bike while trying to manuever it at slow speeds, many times in their own driveway), without causing a lot of cosmetic damage that is expensive to fix, they have a more comfortable upright riding position, a more street-friendly performance which makes them ideal for learning.

The big bikes are a handful when they are not moving, as they are heavier and longer than the smaller bikes (well, duh). If you get a little off-balance with one and it starts to tip over, chances are it will take you with it unless you're tall and have a ton of upper body strength. Oh yeah, and then you have to pick it up off the ground... all 500+ lbs wet. Riding the thing also brings physics into play: more mass = more force required to change direction or stop. That means, less margin for error.

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Old 03-24-2006 | 08:36 AM
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A 'Busa is perfect first bike, especially with a turbo.
Old 03-24-2006 | 09:36 AM
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Yeah it is sort of like having a z06 for a first car; except no air bags, no seat belt, no steel cage all around you, only two tires, the ability to flip over front ways when you hit the brakes and backwards when you hit the gas. And when you crash, instead of hitting a pillow you will go flying, scraping on several hundred yards of concrete as 2 ton crates of rolling steel swerve around you like in 'frogger' so you don't get mutilated. Sounds like fun, doesn't it?

ANYTHING is possible, but statistics will tell you that your chance of dying on a higher displacement bike is much greater than a low CC one, though the real variable is your selfcontrol and riding abilities. On sportbike forums, the general concensus is 'if you have to ask, don't do it.'

I ride a 2001 suzuki bandit 1200cc, I am 20 years old. It is not my first bike, and I have done well over 20k miles of riding in the past 3 years. It has something like 70tq at 3krpms and 90tq by 5krpms stock and about 100lbs lighter than the busa, etc., and mine is lightly modded. You can't respect what you don't fully understand. You hit the gas in 1st or 2nd ANYWHERE in the powerband while entering a slow turn just a tiny bit too hard and you'll wake up wishing you were in that 1800hp z06.

Besides all that, go sit on a busa and just try to get it out of the parking lot. I didn't feel comfortable on a 'big' bike until I had several years experience manuvering around parking lots and city streets on my 600. Everyone I know who started big has either quit or has very little riding skills due to their well deserved fear of their machines [don't tell me about going 180mph, anyone can twist the throttle and hold it for 30 seconds, I'm talking TURNING].

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Old 03-24-2006 | 09:49 AM
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first of all, it's nothing like a z06. Cars and bikes are way different.

Don't take it as a challege to ride such a big bike as a first timer. It's not rocket science, If you wanted to do it then you can. It's just not a good idea. When learning to ride a bike, your first step should be learning what linear path of travel is all about. First learn balance, then learn lines, then worry about power and gearing. Getting on a big bulky bike will just be impractical and unsafe. Being able to ride a motorcycle from point A to B is not enough. You have to be able to safely handle it and be able to react to obstacles.

Good luck with whatever you get, If you get the busa, I'd probably stay away from canyons for a while .
Old 03-24-2006 | 09:52 AM
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Oh, and take the MSF course, if you haven't already.
Old 03-24-2006 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by sahtt,Mar 24 2006, 09:36 AM
Yeah it is sort of like having a z06 for a first car; except no air bags, no seat belt, no steel cage all around you, only two tires, the ability to flip over front ways when you hit the brakes and backwards when you hit the gas. And when you crash, instead of hitting a pillow you will go flying, scraping on several hundred yards of concrete as 2 ton crates of rolling steel swerve around ].
sounds harsh, still fun tho.



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