tarheel91

It might be you that had smoked way too much crack when you were young. How fast do you think a "high-revving naturally aspirated V6" with epic loads of batteries will be? Not to mention having 3 electric motors...(according to top gear uk.) Yes you read that right, 3. 1 at each front wheel and one built into the drive train of the petrol engine. The Lexus LFA with a CFRP chassis and body weighs ~1550KG or 3400lb. Now you're gonna say that the engine weighs more than a v6. NOPE, nada, wrong. The v10 in the LFA weighs less than Toyota's own 3.5L v6, which is guess what: ALUMINUM.

So i really struggle to see where Honda can cut the weight gain from the hybrid addon shit. Let's take this to the extremes: Only places where i can see Honda taking off weight would be: a magnesium infused carbon fiber chassis and body. A titanium V6...or a traditional aluminum V6 with alot, if not all of the internals being titanium. Magnesium, titanium or CF wheels. Super thin glass. Stripped interior or a ghetto interior.

Now let's be realistic: i can't see Honda using a magnesium infused carbon fiber chassis and body...
I can't see Honda making a titanium V6
I can see them using thinner glass but highly unlikely as the NVH will go way up
I can't see them using a ghetto interior either.

So instead of telling me that i'm smoking crack when i'm being realistic, why don't you tell me how Honda will make this "SUPERCAR" a reality?
I already know its gonna weigh somewhere in the vicinity of 3500lb+
I believe we already know the peak power that the V6 can make (469 at the most. Calculated based on 127HP/l on a 3.7L and thats already being generous)...Porsche's GT3RS4.0 only makes 500HP with all it's racing bits.
Oh yea don't forget the hybrid motors will probably weigh a shit tonne no matter how you slice it, and the batteries too!

What i see this car actually being like with more thought into it:
3700-3800lbs
100Hp in the electric motors
a 420HP 3.7L V6 that is high strung
0-60 ~4.0s
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Here's a picture of the two NSXs vs. the LFA. The green box shoes the new NSX's height and length. The new NSX is a good bit smaller than the LFA.



"Magnesium infused carbon fiber?" Where do you get this stuff? First, you don't infuse anything into carbon fiber, it's a weave of long strands surrounded in epoxy. There ARE forms of carbon fiber reinforced magnesium, but they're not fully developed and are less rigid than plain old carbon fiber. They stand up better to temperature, fatigue, and deformation, but are weaker than carbon fiber. Again, for rigidity (something you care about in a chassis) and weight, carbon fiber is better than magnesium.

A quick google of "LFA magnesium" brings up only references to magnesium engine components, a common practice on high end cars today. Heck, the current TL has a magnesium alloy intake manifold. Lexus' own description of the LFA's chassis mentions nothing of magnesium. It does specifically mention a CFRP (read: carbon fiber) monocoque with aluminum subframes. That is being employed more and more in super cars today (e.g. Aventador, McLaren MP4-12C).

Finally, how is 0-60 in 4 seconds moderately faster than a TL?

Elistan

Okay, you've just speculated that the NSX Concept will be 3700 to 3800 lbs, with 520 combined HP. That's 7.1 to 7.3 lbs/hp.
The part of your statement that Steponme relates to you smoking crack is calling that "moderately faster than a TL."
You might say that in your opinion a Corvette Z06 (at 7.5 lbs/hp, it's slower than your guess of the NSX Concept) is "only moderately faster than a TL," but don't be surprised when you're accused of being on crack because of that opinion. (Don't take it personally, it's just the Internet's method of expressing disagreement with you.)

To get back to Z06 vs TL SH-AWD, you're talking about quarter mile times of 13.7@102.3 vs 11.9@123.5 (from R&T.) Is that really only "moderately faster" in your mind?

i_heart_my_DB8

It makes sense if you have a "moderate" learning disability.

XtC-604

Yes I actually do think that, that is only moderately faster. I expected their "halo supercar" to be in the 10s.

XtC-604

Yes I actually do think that, that is only moderately faster. I expected their "halo supercar" to be in the high 10s or low 11s. So speaking relatively, i would say that the TL-S is only slightly slower than the NSX.

And yes it was my mistake not magnesium infused CF, its to be specific, since you guys tend to be overly dramatic on the details: Carbotanium; is a method of combining a beta titanium alloy with advanced carbon composites, the combination having a matched yield strength and moduli of elasticity ratio. Said to be lighter and stronger. And i don't see Honda using this stuff.

sparrow

Man, I've never seen one person walk down a path of wtf w/ their held as high as you. 2 secs faster in a quarter mile is moderately faster at over 100mph trap speeds? What dictionary and scale are you using? 2 secs is a large gap at those speeds. Then again with your dictionary a football field gap is considered moderate.

i_heart_my_DB8

10 seconds or less, amirite?

Mr.E.G.

Jesus Christ. It's like Silverstreak HX and ZX-10 had an abortion together and named it Xtc-604.

Mr.E.G.

Yes I actually do think that, that is only moderately faster. I expected their "halo supercar" to be in the high 10s or low 11s. So speaking relatively, i would say that the TL-S is only slightly slower than the NSX.

And yes it was my mistake not magnesium infused CF, its to be specific, since you guys tend to be overly dramatic on the details: Carbotanium; is a method of combining a beta titanium alloy with advanced carbon composites, the combination having a matched yield strength and moduli of elasticity ratio. Said to be lighter and stronger. And i don't see Honda using this stuff.
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SpudRacer

While I think the NSX concept that Honda unveiled is ugly as hell, I won't count Honda out on the performance front. They have proven they can wow the world, first with the NSX and then with the S2000. They have the brains, they have the money, and they have the technology. And they will not embarrass themselves (except for the damned beaks).

I'm betting that like their first two efforts, this NSX will not try to be a Pagani Zonda killer. It will be very slick / smart in its use of technology in pursuit of performance. That will be the wow factor. Near Ferrari 458-ish performance at half the cost in a car that can actually be daily driven without a mechanic in the passenger seat. It won't be the fastest, or the lightest, or use the most exotic materials. But I'll bet it does make people stand back and say....cool! Just like the original NSX and the S2000 in their day.