sparrow

Really?

Have you seen the specs for that car?
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You must be new here.
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New? Hardly. I just prefer things that are fun to drive. I realize this thing isn't available to drive yet...but judging fromt he styling and Honda's past decade of history I'm pretty sure this will pale in comparison to moniker it is meant to replace.
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My last post went over your head.... Lol Car talk sure isn't what it used to be.
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It must be fun to live in a world all your own. At least you know what the hell you are talking about.
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If you ventured into car talk more often you would know that there were a plethora of mustang gt/boss threads. In at least one of those threads i stated i have drove the car and applauded it. Any regular would have known the amount of mustang threads that littered this forum especially comparing it to the m3. So the "you must be new here" was quite appropriate considering how often the specs had been discussed.

JonBoy

That's it - I'm putting my foil hat back on!

i_heart_my_DB8

Way to read only part of what I wrote instead of all of it.
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Nope, I read the whole thing. You prefer things that are fun to drive, but judging from the styling and [something else], you're pretty sure this will pale in comparison to the NSX. I understood what you said.

I also read this:

Which I think is incredibly interesting, considering I'm 99.99% sure that YOU have not driven the car yet. Yet you are "most certain" that it will be less of a "driver's car" than the Mustang.

Okay, so you've stated your prediction and your opinion.

Care to expound further on why you think that's the case?

pgarratt

I think it will work, if it's implemented the same way I would envision it. That is the electric motors are used only to add torque when cornering. As I would imagine that there is very little drive loss and lag when it's done with electric motors vs drive-train/diff.

Trade off is the weight, but a diff/axles can be pretty heavy too.
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I can see this car sitting on the LeMans grid in 3 years at the hybrid invitee

fishfryer

After careful consideration I am sure I'd rather have a Boxster S with a 6M trans than a NSX with a DCT, electric motors and whatever other nonsense that Honda can stuff into it. The problem is the NSX seems to be the exact opposite of the S2000. The S2000 was fun and simple. My guess is the NSX will be neither.

JonBoy

The Corvette Z06 is the closest modern "supercar" (ie, high hp, high performance, lightweight) that could be described as "simple" and it still comes with launch control and a number of options (ride control, etc, etc) to make it anything but. Everything else is pretty complex. A 997 GT3 would also potentially fit the bill, overall.

Ferrari 458? Electric nannies and control all around.
991 Porsche? Electronic suspension control, PDK, big wheels, fancy traction and launch control, etc, etc.
Nissan GT-R? Electronic everything - you just have to hang on and turn the wheel.

To get the best, you have to get some electronics to back it up. No one is making anything simple any more at the higher levels of performance.

JonBoy

I understand your choice and why you'd make it (not sure you could choose to buy the new NSX, but that's a different conversation).

However, the new NSX is not supposed to be fun and simple like the S2000. This is a halo car that will showcase technology, not simplicity. It will have a high output gas motor, Honda's first DCT, a novel AWD drivetrain, exotic looks and (presumably) low weight as well. It'll be $100K if it's a penny. The S2000 was $35K. Why would you expect it to compare to this car?

sparrow

This concept is everyhing acura is about technology-wise. Cant expect a company to build something that does not coincide with the future direction of the brand.

fishfryer

Are you asking me if I could write a check for a $100k car? Yes, I could...easily.

Obviously it won't be simple and that is going to be it's undoing. It's price point won't work for any volume and that is what Honda needs as a company. 2011 was an aweful year for that company, just like the LFA doesn't add to Toyota sales, the NSX won't translate either. When you start charging mid-level 911 money for a car you are just looking for a tiny niche and to me that is dopey. My point is that the NSX will be in 'no-mans' land and few will be built, few will be sold and just like the original it was at the wrong price point.

Honda sells enough little shitboxes with good MPGs (to meet CAFE) that their supercar shouldn't have to be a showcase for gizmos, it should be a showcase for affordable supercar performance. I'd rather have 6.0 liters of displacement than 4 liters and some batteries and electric motors.

But that is just me.

i_heart_my_DB8

You take your logic an you shove it up your ass mister. We don't appreciate well-reasoned and concise thought 'round these parts.

Now I've gotta go make a post comparing a used car from the 90's with a new car today. BRB.