Nissan Delta Wing
03-16-2012, 02:23 PM
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It might be wise to consider a whole bunch of certified race car and even street car engineers have poured over this design, for literally tens of thousands of hours. In both simulator and real world testing to even get to this point.
The whole idea with this car was to inspire, not just people watching it race but the rule makers who have knee capped the development of so many series for fear of the unknown.
I think it's ugly as hell but whatevs I hope it does well. From the video of it doing laps at Buttonwillow it looks pretty quick and with the range advantage it will probably do quite well.
The whole idea with this car was to inspire, not just people watching it race but the rule makers who have knee capped the development of so many series for fear of the unknown.
I think it's ugly as hell but whatevs I hope it does well. From the video of it doing laps at Buttonwillow it looks pretty quick and with the range advantage it will probably do quite well.
03-16-2012, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Duke Togo' timestamp='1331934722' post='21516105
It might be wise to consider a whole bunch of certified race car and even street car engineers have poured over this design, for literally tens of thousands of hours. In both simulator and real world testing to even get to this point.
The whole idea with this car was to inspire, not just people watching it race but the rule makers who have knee capped the development of so many series for fear of the unknown.
I think it's ugly as hell but whatevs I hope it does well. From the video of it doing laps at Buttonwillow it looks pretty quick and with the range advantage it will probably do quite well.
The whole idea with this car was to inspire, not just people watching it race but the rule makers who have knee capped the development of so many series for fear of the unknown.
I think it's ugly as hell but whatevs I hope it does well. From the video of it doing laps at Buttonwillow it looks pretty quick and with the range advantage it will probably do quite well.
03-16-2012, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Duke Togo' timestamp='1331934722' post='21516105
It might be wise to consider a whole bunch of certified race car and even street car engineers have poured over this design, for literally tens of thousands of hours. In both simulator and real world testing to even get to this point.
The whole idea with this car was to inspire, not just people watching it race but the rule makers who have knee capped the development of so many series for fear of the unknown.
I think it's ugly as hell but whatevs I hope it does well. From the video of it doing laps at Buttonwillow it looks pretty quick and with the range advantage it will probably do quite well.
The whole idea with this car was to inspire, not just people watching it race but the rule makers who have knee capped the development of so many series for fear of the unknown.
I think it's ugly as hell but whatevs I hope it does well. From the video of it doing laps at Buttonwillow it looks pretty quick and with the range advantage it will probably do quite well.
The front wheel location is purely sensational imo. Move the wheels further out and the benefits to handling and stability far outweigh any increased drag.
The case this car makes is more a reflection on how bloated normal race cars are - in that article it states that LMP1 cars weigh 2,600 pounds...
03-17-2012, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by JonBoy' timestamp='1331936639' post='21516216
[quote name='Duke Togo' timestamp='1331934722' post='21516105']
It might be wise to consider a whole bunch of certified race car and even street car engineers have poured over this design, for literally tens of thousands of hours. In both simulator and real world testing to even get to this point.
The whole idea with this car was to inspire, not just people watching it race but the rule makers who have knee capped the development of so many series for fear of the unknown.
I think it's ugly as hell but whatevs I hope it does well. From the video of it doing laps at Buttonwillow it looks pretty quick and with the range advantage it will probably do quite well.
It might be wise to consider a whole bunch of certified race car and even street car engineers have poured over this design, for literally tens of thousands of hours. In both simulator and real world testing to even get to this point.
The whole idea with this car was to inspire, not just people watching it race but the rule makers who have knee capped the development of so many series for fear of the unknown.
I think it's ugly as hell but whatevs I hope it does well. From the video of it doing laps at Buttonwillow it looks pretty quick and with the range advantage it will probably do quite well.
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What EVERYONE is forgetting is that there are rules and regulations for all the other cars in the racing world to meet/comply with. Tons of people/companies could make ultra-light, ultra-quick cars if they didn't have rules to limit them.
Rules are there for a few reasons. Improved safety, reduced cost, closer competition, etc, etc. Someone making a car outside of the rules that is "radically different" or "efficient" or whatever is pointless if they can't actually race it! It's an engineering exercise in being cool.
As I said, let everyone disregard the rules and you'll see cars that blow this thing away in every regard. There is nothing about this suspension/chassis layout that gives it a pure advantage EXCEPT (potentially) the aerodynamic improvement of having a narrow car profile (less swept area) that reduces drag/fuel economy. In a long race, that's a big deal. In a short race, it's almost worthless (ie, a race where you have to refuel only once or twice). Problem is, losing a few seconds each lap isn't going to make up for the time savings of not having a pitstop in most cases...
In the end, the argument is theoretical as we don't really know how fast this car is, nor how fuel efficient. I just cannot see how it is going to be faster than or as fast as a comparable conventionally built car.
03-17-2012, 07:01 AM
#15
The front wheel location is purely sensational imo. Move the wheels further out and the benefits to handling and stability far outweigh any increased drag.
The case this car makes is more a reflection on how bloated normal race cars are - in that article it states that LMP1 cars weigh 2,600 pounds...
The case this car makes is more a reflection on how bloated normal race cars are - in that article it states that LMP1 cars weigh 2,600 pounds...
03-17-2012, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Saki GT' timestamp='1331948780' post='21516666
The front wheel location is purely sensational imo. Move the wheels further out and the benefits to handling and stability far outweigh any increased drag.
The case this car makes is more a reflection on how bloated normal race cars are - in that article it states that LMP1 cars weigh 2,600 pounds...
The case this car makes is more a reflection on how bloated normal race cars are - in that article it states that LMP1 cars weigh 2,600 pounds...
What benefits to stability are you claiming? A long wheelbase is stable but you can have that on a conventionally built car any time you want.
LMP1 cars have to survive actual racing. This car is going around a track by itself with no traffic, no debris, and no darkness.
03-17-2012, 10:23 AM
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Thanks - I think you're right. Wonders never cease - I agree with him! 
03-17-2012, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by vividracing.com' timestamp='1331940036' post='21516345
[quote name='JonBoy' timestamp='1331936639' post='21516216']
[quote name='Duke Togo' timestamp='1331934722' post='21516105']
It might be wise to consider a whole bunch of certified race car and even street car engineers have poured over this design, for literally tens of thousands of hours. In both simulator and real world testing to even get to this point.
The whole idea with this car was to inspire, not just people watching it race but the rule makers who have knee capped the development of so many series for fear of the unknown.
I think it's ugly as hell but whatevs I hope it does well. From the video of it doing laps at Buttonwillow it looks pretty quick and with the range advantage it will probably do quite well.
[quote name='Duke Togo' timestamp='1331934722' post='21516105']
It might be wise to consider a whole bunch of certified race car and even street car engineers have poured over this design, for literally tens of thousands of hours. In both simulator and real world testing to even get to this point.
The whole idea with this car was to inspire, not just people watching it race but the rule makers who have knee capped the development of so many series for fear of the unknown.
I think it's ugly as hell but whatevs I hope it does well. From the video of it doing laps at Buttonwillow it looks pretty quick and with the range advantage it will probably do quite well.
[/quote]
What EVERYONE is forgetting is that there are rules and regulations for all the other cars in the racing world to meet/comply with. Tons of people/companies could make ultra-light, ultra-quick cars if they didn't have rules to limit them.
Rules are there for a few reasons. Improved safety, reduced cost, closer competition, etc, etc. Someone making a car outside of the rules that is "radically different" or "efficient" or whatever is pointless if they can't actually race it! It's an engineering exercise in being cool.
As I said, let everyone disregard the rules and you'll see cars that blow this thing away in every regard. There is nothing about this suspension/chassis layout that gives it a pure advantage EXCEPT (potentially) the aerodynamic improvement of having a narrow car profile (less swept area) that reduces drag/fuel economy. In a long race, that's a big deal. In a short race, it's almost worthless (ie, a race where you have to refuel only once or twice). Problem is, losing a few seconds each lap isn't going to make up for the time savings of not having a pitstop in most cases...
In the end, the argument is theoretical as we don't really know how fast this car is, nor how fuel efficient. I just cannot see how it is going to be faster than or as fast as a comparable conventionally built car.
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The fundamental idea, which has yet to be proven, is that this design can go just as fast, be just as safe etc with less power thus better mileage. Normally a narrow front track would hurt a car but a normal car doesn't have as much weight at the back nor does a normal car have a torque vectoring rear axle to aid steering.
10-24-2012, 12:29 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUdKk_lp2qk
Top 5 finish at Petit Le Mans in only it's second race I think is a pretty damn good job.
Top 5 finish at Petit Le Mans in only it's second race I think is a pretty damn good job.