Next Generation nissan Z (z35)
#41
Thread Starter
One can argue that the Z gained weight and power to stay relevant and become faster... but look at the corvette, it also gained power/tech became much faster and is still the same curb weight,
I don't understand why Nissan can't develop a designated chasis for the Z and put their signature v6 in there... they could even keep the same chassis through many generations to come... as long as it stays light,
is it too much to ask for a sub 2900lb car 370z?
I don't understand why Nissan can't develop a designated chasis for the Z and put their signature v6 in there... they could even keep the same chassis through many generations to come... as long as it stays light,
is it too much to ask for a sub 2900lb car 370z?
#42
Moderator
Apparently not!
Latest news puts Nissan's sports car on a big diet - 400+ pound weight loss target, aiming for sub 2,900 pound curb weight.
Also, going from a 6 to a turbo four...
http://www.motortrend.com/future/fut...35_in_pipline/
Latest news puts Nissan's sports car on a big diet - 400+ pound weight loss target, aiming for sub 2,900 pound curb weight.
Also, going from a 6 to a turbo four...
http://www.motortrend.com/future/fut...35_in_pipline/
One of Japan's most iconic cars is making a comeback. A descendant of the game-changing 240Z that debuted in 1969, an all-new Z car (code-named Z35) will honor the legendary Datsun with a stylized 21st-century interpretation of the original's long nose, short deck, and perfect proportions. That first Z was designed to appeal to buyers in its main market of the United States, and the new model will be no different. Just get a load of one artist's vision of the dynamic silhouette.
While the car will feature a low-slung, swooping body, it will be downsized from the current 370Z to dimensions that resemble the original's. That means the car will lose around 2 inches in width from the current 72.6 inches. Our insider mentions that lightweight high-tensile steel will be used to further reduce the car's curb weight by up to 420 pounds to a class-leading 2866 pounds. According to a source close to Nissan, the Z35 will be powered by a choice of V-6 and four-cylinder engines at first. Company bosses want to phase out the V-6, though a small but strong fan base might lead engineers to retain it. Nissan feels that it has to "wean" the motoring public off the six cylinder, which has been its mainstay powerplant since the very beginning, and switch to a more fuel-efficient four. We are told that the new four-cylinder will be a 2.5-liter turbo unit and incorporate direct injection to make at least 330 hp. But our insider explains that Nissan bosses are concerned about fuel economy and CO2 emissions, a fact that will almost certainly force them to reduce power to around 280 hp. For a gutsier Z, we can look to the company's in-house tuning arm Nismo, which is rumored to be working on a 330-plus-hp model. Nissan Z35 Side The Z33 of 2002 was a big hit and its low-$30,000s price tag helped it drive out showroom doors. With the Z34, Nissan created a good-looking, sharp-handling coupe, but by Nissan targeting rivals in the BMW Z4, Porsche Cayman, and Audi TT, the price went into the low $40,000s and hurt sales. The new Z35 must pick up where the Z33 left off and reinvent the Z car all over again. That means downsizing while creating a compelling design and minimizing its sticker price. And employing four-cylinder turbos will do the brand no harm in lowering prices, CO2, and fuel consumption. We can expect to see the Z concept unveiled at the Detroit auto show in January. The final production version should debut one year later at the same show with a price tag starting under $30,000.
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/future/fut...#ixzz2dCBnzbsT
While the car will feature a low-slung, swooping body, it will be downsized from the current 370Z to dimensions that resemble the original's. That means the car will lose around 2 inches in width from the current 72.6 inches. Our insider mentions that lightweight high-tensile steel will be used to further reduce the car's curb weight by up to 420 pounds to a class-leading 2866 pounds. According to a source close to Nissan, the Z35 will be powered by a choice of V-6 and four-cylinder engines at first. Company bosses want to phase out the V-6, though a small but strong fan base might lead engineers to retain it. Nissan feels that it has to "wean" the motoring public off the six cylinder, which has been its mainstay powerplant since the very beginning, and switch to a more fuel-efficient four. We are told that the new four-cylinder will be a 2.5-liter turbo unit and incorporate direct injection to make at least 330 hp. But our insider explains that Nissan bosses are concerned about fuel economy and CO2 emissions, a fact that will almost certainly force them to reduce power to around 280 hp. For a gutsier Z, we can look to the company's in-house tuning arm Nismo, which is rumored to be working on a 330-plus-hp model. Nissan Z35 Side The Z33 of 2002 was a big hit and its low-$30,000s price tag helped it drive out showroom doors. With the Z34, Nissan created a good-looking, sharp-handling coupe, but by Nissan targeting rivals in the BMW Z4, Porsche Cayman, and Audi TT, the price went into the low $40,000s and hurt sales. The new Z35 must pick up where the Z33 left off and reinvent the Z car all over again. That means downsizing while creating a compelling design and minimizing its sticker price. And employing four-cylinder turbos will do the brand no harm in lowering prices, CO2, and fuel consumption. We can expect to see the Z concept unveiled at the Detroit auto show in January. The final production version should debut one year later at the same show with a price tag starting under $30,000.
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/future/fut...#ixzz2dCBnzbsT
#43
#44
I'm not sure what's worse.. abandoning the sports car market altogether (which is what honda did), or releasing a so-so car like Nissan does with the 370z. I'd say Honda is worse. While many s2k fans don't like the 350 and 370z, the reality is plenty of other people do. My brother was considering a 370z.. he wants a comfortable car with some power that is some fun yet is reliable. That sounds like the 370z. Most people have zero intention of tracking their car, and that's fine. I give credit to Nissan for at least making SOME sports cars, even if they aren't giving their all in terms of effort. I guess they have the GTR to satisfy the real enthusiasts and show what they can do so that's why the 350z never got as much attention.
If folks think back to the 240sx/silvia, you'll remember that they stuffed the KA24 (which also came in their trucks lol) into the car that came here in the US. I'm not sure I'd call the 240sx a lightweight sports car, but it moreso fits that class than the 300zx/350z/370z. They dropped the 240sx line and left a void. Unfortunately the majority of Americans don't like lightweight/low power cars, they like torque/power. I may not like that being a fan of lighter/nimbler sports cars but that's the reality.
If folks think back to the 240sx/silvia, you'll remember that they stuffed the KA24 (which also came in their trucks lol) into the car that came here in the US. I'm not sure I'd call the 240sx a lightweight sports car, but it moreso fits that class than the 300zx/350z/370z. They dropped the 240sx line and left a void. Unfortunately the majority of Americans don't like lightweight/low power cars, they like torque/power. I may not like that being a fan of lighter/nimbler sports cars but that's the reality.
#45
Thread Starter
I'm not sure what's worse.. abandoning the sports car market altogether (which is what honda did), or releasing a so-so car like Nissan does with the 370z. I'd say Honda is worse. While many s2k fans don't like the 350 and 370z, the reality is plenty of other people do. My brother was considering a 370z.. he wants a comfortable car with some power that is some fun yet is reliable. That sounds like the 370z. Most people have zero intention of tracking their car, and that's fine. I give credit to Nissan for at least making SOME sports cars, even if they aren't giving their all in terms of effort. I guess they have the GTR to satisfy the real enthusiasts and show what they can do so that's why the 350z never got as much attention.
If folks think back to the 240sx/silvia, you'll remember that they stuffed the KA24 (which also came in their trucks lol) into the car that came here in the US. I'm not sure I'd call the 240sx a lightweight sports car, but it moreso fits that class than the 300zx/350z/370z. They dropped the 240sx line and left a void. Unfortunately the majority of Americans don't like lightweight/low power cars, they like torque/power. I may not like that being a fan of lighter/nimbler sports cars but that's the reality.
If folks think back to the 240sx/silvia, you'll remember that they stuffed the KA24 (which also came in their trucks lol) into the car that came here in the US. I'm not sure I'd call the 240sx a lightweight sports car, but it moreso fits that class than the 300zx/350z/370z. They dropped the 240sx line and left a void. Unfortunately the majority of Americans don't like lightweight/low power cars, they like torque/power. I may not like that being a fan of lighter/nimbler sports cars but that's the reality.
There was a thread somewhere on nissan forums about speculations of the next gen Z, I laughed pretty hard when someone said we will get the watered down version again (i.e. KA24 motor)!
Honestly if you think about it the 370z is like a current day e46 m3, which is sort of cool I guess.
#46
I have not been following this but is it implied that the Infiniti will get re-done too?
#48
I just looked up the 370z and price wise it's not bad.. 370z with sport package (want that LSD) is about $34k MSRP new. That price comes with better brakes and bigger wheels as well. I like the 370z over the 350z as they shaved a few lbs as well. Yes the car has its faults but all cars do. Spec wise it's definitely not bad bang for your buck.
#49
#50
I wish someone would make a modern small/lightweight/rwd/irs sports sedan like the 510 They were a bit lighter than the 240Z, ~2100 lb. vs. 2300 IIRC. But you did get a lot more power and better weight distribution with the Z, and a superior rear suspension (Chapman struts > semi-trailing arms)!