NC Miata vs. S2000 CR
08-11-2009, 10:51 AM
#51
Originally Posted by GT_NFR,Aug 11 2009, 08:32 AM
Also, I noticed you're running 17x9 all around for the track. That may have alot to do with the handling characteristics of your NC. At those specs, your tires easily have more contact patch than any stock s2000, even the CR.
08-11-2009, 10:55 AM
#52
Originally Posted by 2007 Zx-10,Aug 11 2009, 09:42 AM
You need to get out more, then.
4k is pretty low miles for an S. From my direct experience (and dyno charts posted by other members), these cars only get more powerful > 10k miles, assuming you meticulously keep up with the oil changes and go full syn after about 5k. For what it is, I'm impressed with the power on my S above 5k, and I'm sure I'd have no problem pulling just about any Miata out there, short of a turbo. As another poster said, if you are shifting an S at 4k, you should know better.
Now, if you really wanna have some fun, let's run against my FD, the Miata's senior brother, with real power, and a true aggressive stance
4k is pretty low miles for an S. From my direct experience (and dyno charts posted by other members), these cars only get more powerful > 10k miles, assuming you meticulously keep up with the oil changes and go full syn after about 5k. For what it is, I'm impressed with the power on my S above 5k, and I'm sure I'd have no problem pulling just about any Miata out there, short of a turbo. As another poster said, if you are shifting an S at 4k, you should know better.
Now, if you really wanna have some fun, let's run against my FD, the Miata's senior brother, with real power, and a true aggressive stance
Also, wasn't it you who told someone that they were defying the laws of thermodynamics when they said that an NSX with some miles on it dynos higher than a low mileage NSX? Maybe I am wrong, but i thought that was you.
I too think it wold be good fun for your FD to run against Chris S's NC, but the last time this was suggested it got ugly.
08-11-2009, 11:02 AM
#53
Originally Posted by 2007 Zx-10,Aug 11 2009, 10:40 AM
I think that has more to do with the fact that it's cheap, and the right price point for alot of people. The S2K is simply out of reach for the average younger buyer, unless you consider a $34k car cheap. Despite the weight disadvantage, the S2K is the superior track weapon, no contest, and that fact has been proven whenever highly modded (n/a) versions of both cars are compared.
However, once you start replacing parts the differences between the cars start to diminish. The s2000 and NC Miata are quite similar.
The only real advantage that the s2000 has over the Miata is it's engine. Sure, the NC engine is not terrible, but it is still a far cry from the s2000's engine and a built version of both only illustrates this further.
I have seen more than a few built s2000 engines that make 230- 250 whp and a select few pushing closer to 300 whp. There is no way in hell you can expect that from the Miata engine. Mazda just does not have the goods I'm afraid.
But aside from the superior engine, a race prepped s2000 is not much different than a race prepped NC Miata.
08-11-2009, 11:19 AM
#55
In the S2000 or the Miata?
The NC chassis is rock solid. I couldn't tell a difference between it and my S2000. I think what you think is a lack of chassis rigidity is more the soft suspension giving the feeling of flex or give.
The NC chassis is rock solid. I couldn't tell a difference between it and my S2000. I think what you think is a lack of chassis rigidity is more the soft suspension giving the feeling of flex or give.
08-11-2009, 11:29 AM
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Yep, both the NC and S chassis feel very stiff. NA's & NB's were wet noobles in comparison.
The NC offsets some of the power delta by having 300-400 fewer lbs. to carry, a more sophisticated rear suspension, and the ability to easily stuff bigger tires all the way around. Net net, they
The NC offsets some of the power delta by having 300-400 fewer lbs. to carry, a more sophisticated rear suspension, and the ability to easily stuff bigger tires all the way around. Net net, they
08-11-2009, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 2007 Zx-10,Aug 11 2009, 11:16 AM
Chassis rigidity is also far superior. Yes, I know you can put a roll cage in a Miata, let's not go there.
At the Track Times picture, was that Mini Cooper S stock? It was only about 3 seconds behind the CR.
08-11-2009, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by RC 94,Aug 11 2009, 11:36 AM
This made me laugh.
At the Track Times picture, was that Mini Cooper S stock? It was only about 3 seconds behind the CR.
At the Track Times picture, was that Mini Cooper S stock? It was only about 3 seconds behind the CR.
08-11-2009, 12:13 PM
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No idea but it's 22% stiffer and 47% better in torsion than the NB.