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10-01-2006, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by RED MX5,Sep 30 2006, 09:36 PM
The MY06 cars were great, but the MY07 cars sucked. Hard to say why, but if the cars were all torn up then Mazda shouldn't be using them to show what their cars are like. What they are showing people makes a very negative impression.
10-01-2006, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by hpark,Oct 1 2006, 12:48 AM
well you've been spoiled by the S2000...one of the best shifters made in history 
I need to autocross somebody's stock S2000, becasue after sleeping on yesterdays event and the cars I drove I'm realing at the difference between all the Mazda's and my modified S. At this point my car isn't even in the same league as the RX8, and I'm wondering how I'd feel about the S if I drove one that was stock. I might find that dissipointing too.
10-01-2006, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by sodaking663rd,Oct 1 2006, 10:08 AM
i went this year and last. the miata is spectacular. the only thing i really don't like about it is the high sill it has now. it doesn't feel like an old european roadster any more as you really feel like you're sitting IN the car. besides that the car handles great and has a really nice interior. so nothing changed from last year to this year with the miata.
the rx-8 last year - i was really impressed with it. this year i was not. i don't know why that is. it may have been that i just got out of the miata and was diasppointed that it just didn't handle as well as the miata...maybe handle isn't the right word but the miata is just so tossable because of its size it makes it a blast to drive. the rx8 while fun just didn't put a big smile on my face.
the mazdaspeed 6 was ok...it had a lot of torque which was nice for a change but felt like a very heavy car.
the cx7 was pretty sweet...i was really impressed with its handling and interior as well.
the rx-8 last year - i was really impressed with it. this year i was not. i don't know why that is. it may have been that i just got out of the miata and was diasppointed that it just didn't handle as well as the miata...maybe handle isn't the right word but the miata is just so tossable because of its size it makes it a blast to drive. the rx8 while fun just didn't put a big smile on my face.
the mazdaspeed 6 was ok...it had a lot of torque which was nice for a change but felt like a very heavy car.
the cx7 was pretty sweet...i was really impressed with its handling and interior as well.
10-01-2006, 07:18 PM
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I think we got the cars after Georgia, and they were already ragged on. 
You're right, though - driving styles do change the handling of the car. That said, I'm all about trail braking as well - it's easier for me to rotate the car that way. The other thing may be that you had a different course setup, which led to different traits being exhibited.
For instance, the third set of corners (kind of a back stretch kink or chicane) on our track would allow a nice drift through it - the car actually did transition fine there. You'd tap the brakes, then keep on the throttle and the MS6 would just slide through it perfectly, before going hard on the brakes for a sharp 90* turn. However, on slow speed corners (like the last one before the end, probably a 140* turn), the car really didn't have enough speed and room to trail brake and rotate the car properly. It was a downhill turn (you headed down the hill, then turned back up into the hill) which didn't allow the car to do anything but scrub off at the front. It was virtually impossible to get the car to rotate. The RX-8, on the other hand, had enough power (and just two wheels being driven) to allow rotation almost at will, even on a corner like that. I guess the RX-8 to me is just a LOT more tossable, plus it understeered significantly less.
On the course we were driving, there was only one "flat" corner (ie, no elevation change) on the main course (the starting corner was also flat). All the rest were on an incline of some sort, which really exacerbates understeer and doesn't really allow for much rotation of the car (certainly not enough to counteract the understeer that the MS6 constantly showed). Even the "pro" driver (he ran three seconds under the time, with a passenger) was understeering quite a bit on the course. It just wouldn't do anything else.
You're right, though - driving styles do change the handling of the car. That said, I'm all about trail braking as well - it's easier for me to rotate the car that way. The other thing may be that you had a different course setup, which led to different traits being exhibited.
For instance, the third set of corners (kind of a back stretch kink or chicane) on our track would allow a nice drift through it - the car actually did transition fine there. You'd tap the brakes, then keep on the throttle and the MS6 would just slide through it perfectly, before going hard on the brakes for a sharp 90* turn. However, on slow speed corners (like the last one before the end, probably a 140* turn), the car really didn't have enough speed and room to trail brake and rotate the car properly. It was a downhill turn (you headed down the hill, then turned back up into the hill) which didn't allow the car to do anything but scrub off at the front. It was virtually impossible to get the car to rotate. The RX-8, on the other hand, had enough power (and just two wheels being driven) to allow rotation almost at will, even on a corner like that. I guess the RX-8 to me is just a LOT more tossable, plus it understeered significantly less.
On the course we were driving, there was only one "flat" corner (ie, no elevation change) on the main course (the starting corner was also flat). All the rest were on an incline of some sort, which really exacerbates understeer and doesn't really allow for much rotation of the car (certainly not enough to counteract the understeer that the MS6 constantly showed). Even the "pro" driver (he ran three seconds under the time, with a passenger) was understeering quite a bit on the course. It just wouldn't do anything else.
10-02-2006, 11:23 AM
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[QUOTE=JonBoy,Oct 1 2006, 10:18 PM]I think we got the cars after Georgia, and they were already ragged on.
You're right, though - driving styles do change the handling of the car.
You're right, though - driving styles do change the handling of the car.
10-02-2006, 12:32 PM
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[QUOTE=RED MX5,Oct 2 2006, 02:23 PM]Given the way some people (too many people) in this area drive I think Gorgia can do a sufficient job of trashing Mazda's cars without any out of state help.
10-02-2006, 07:39 PM
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I went to the Dallas event. I thought the MS6 overall was really horrible. The clutch had this odd unstable feel... like the pedal wanted to be either all the way or all the way in, and was difficult to modulate in the middle. And I found it to be really hard to drive in a fast and controlled manner. It has huge amounts of power, but only after you've gotten past the nasty turbo lag, and then you get a kick that the mushy suspension and disconnected steering was helpless to control throgh corners. I'm probably being a little hard on it, but certainly compared to the rest of the cars out there and our S, it was pretty bad.
RX-8 was lots of fun. It's still about the closest thing I've driven to having the handing "feel" of the S2000, even though it's got more lean and overall less tenacity in corners.
I'd never driven the new Miata before and thought it was *excellent*. Obviously not as "serious" or whatever you want to call it as the S, but just a bundle of screaming fun. I kept going back to the Miata line -- even started driving the automatic because the line was shorter and, hell, you leave it in 2nd the whole course anyway. More track time!
RX-8 was lots of fun. It's still about the closest thing I've driven to having the handing "feel" of the S2000, even though it's got more lean and overall less tenacity in corners.
I'd never driven the new Miata before and thought it was *excellent*. Obviously not as "serious" or whatever you want to call it as the S, but just a bundle of screaming fun. I kept going back to the Miata line -- even started driving the automatic because the line was shorter and, hell, you leave it in 2nd the whole course anyway. More track time!
10-02-2006, 07:47 PM
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The MS6 is known to have strange clutch feel.
MS6 owners know that this car really needs 93+ octane. I bet that these cars are probably running 87 octance. Owners said their car feels like there are a lot more power when using Sunaco 94. Maybe the reason for turbo lag? Because the turbo is twinscroll turbo technology from Mitsubishi's Evo... so there should not be turbo lag.
MS6 owners know that this car really needs 93+ octane. I bet that these cars are probably running 87 octance. Owners said their car feels like there are a lot more power when using Sunaco 94. Maybe the reason for turbo lag? Because the turbo is twinscroll turbo technology from Mitsubishi's Evo... so there should not be turbo lag.