LF-A and NSX won't cost $200k USD
#11
Of the two, I would say that the LF-A has a greater chance of being more than $200k. As others have said I see the NSX in the $120k neighborhood. The reasons why I think the LF-A might top the 200k price range are:
1.) Handbuild Yamaha V-10 with over 500hp, 400 lb-ft of torque and a redline of something crazy (I remember reading 9800 rpm)
2.) Carbon fiber, and lots of it- people are saying the LF-A uses extensive use of carbon fiber, so the final weight could be quite light.
The problem with all of this is that it is heresay and estimates until Toyota and Honda come out and tell us. But as it stands right now, I would guess
$110-130k for NSX
$180-200k for LF-A
1.) Handbuild Yamaha V-10 with over 500hp, 400 lb-ft of torque and a redline of something crazy (I remember reading 9800 rpm)
2.) Carbon fiber, and lots of it- people are saying the LF-A uses extensive use of carbon fiber, so the final weight could be quite light.
The problem with all of this is that it is heresay and estimates until Toyota and Honda come out and tell us. But as it stands right now, I would guess
$110-130k for NSX
$180-200k for LF-A
#12
If they approach anywhere near the base price of an f430 or lp560 say bye bye to sales figures...I can see the "new honda" (refuse to call it nsx) being in porsche turbo/ full optioned m6 territory...LF-A what does that even stand for Loaded Fun Automobile? But I can see that nearing 200k a lot more than the honda
#14
I feel bad for those that think the GT-R's price will be at 70k. Does everyone remember what the C6 Z06's msrp was when it first came out. It was 6-7k less if I'm not mistaken. Chevy hiked the price not to far after.
#15
Originally Posted by Onehots2k,Jul 28 2008, 06:40 AM
I feel bad for those that think the GT-R's price will be at 70k. Does everyone remember what the C6 Z06's msrp was when it first came out. It was 6-7k less if I'm not mistaken. Chevy hiked the price not to far after.
As for the rumored output of the Yamaha V10... doesn't 9800rpm seem a little high?(assuming the tq figure is correct) Either it will have a huge drop in tq as the revs rise, or it will be putting out like 800 hp at redline.
Say if it made peak HP at 8,000 rpm, it would need to be pushing 380 ftlbs in order to make ~580 hp. So either the peak torque is achieved at a really high RPM, the torque curve is really really flat, it makes peak hp at a much lower redline than I'd imagine, or it just puts out less hp than expected for being a supercar.
#16
Like the OP said no one know for sure what price on these cars are but even if they are why people complain. It as if Ferrari and Lamborghini ONLY car that can be 200K
I dont understand why people complain if LF-A close to 200K.
For one thing people forget value of dollar drop like rock but also...
Let me ask you...what if just what if LF-A has super performance better than say Ferrari Scuderia at 200K price but is reliable just like average Lexus? What if it car you can drive no problem till 100K miles? What if you can take it to local lexus dealer for simple maintenance like you do every other Lexus???
Ferrari Porsche Lamborghini...the big complain is their reliability. You always see some fool with not enough money but who is interested in these cars always ask about maintenance cost. That is biggest concern for potential buyer of these cars. And concern is valid. have you seen repair bills for Ferrari??? Why so many low mileage Ferrari and Lamborghini when you look in Ebay or autotrader? What kind of garbage car you spend 200K dollars and more for but you have to worry about changing clutch or F1 transmission after a few thousand miles? Why should we spend 200K more on acr and worry about huge maintenance bill after a few thousand miles? What fraud! I'm happy Japanese company will show them competition!
Now imagine if somehow Lexus make car with better perforamce but is super reliable. Car you can maintain easily and drive everyday with no problem like very other ELxus? I think many people will like this HAHA!
And Lexus not boring anymore. I take ride in IS-F and car is very fun! If LExus makes super car that looks good and is super reliable which I know it will be then I say price is ok!
I dont understand why people complain if LF-A close to 200K.
For one thing people forget value of dollar drop like rock but also...
Let me ask you...what if just what if LF-A has super performance better than say Ferrari Scuderia at 200K price but is reliable just like average Lexus? What if it car you can drive no problem till 100K miles? What if you can take it to local lexus dealer for simple maintenance like you do every other Lexus???
Ferrari Porsche Lamborghini...the big complain is their reliability. You always see some fool with not enough money but who is interested in these cars always ask about maintenance cost. That is biggest concern for potential buyer of these cars. And concern is valid. have you seen repair bills for Ferrari??? Why so many low mileage Ferrari and Lamborghini when you look in Ebay or autotrader? What kind of garbage car you spend 200K dollars and more for but you have to worry about changing clutch or F1 transmission after a few thousand miles? Why should we spend 200K more on acr and worry about huge maintenance bill after a few thousand miles? What fraud! I'm happy Japanese company will show them competition!
Now imagine if somehow Lexus make car with better perforamce but is super reliable. Car you can maintain easily and drive everyday with no problem like very other ELxus? I think many people will like this HAHA!
And Lexus not boring anymore. I take ride in IS-F and car is very fun! If LExus makes super car that looks good and is super reliable which I know it will be then I say price is ok!
#17
A lot of good points are made in this thread that might make you think more about objectives behind these "halo" cars.
Before I read the replies, I agreed with much of the thread orginator's arguement about pricing of the Honda and Toyota product. I still do, but if it is in fact true that halo cars don't have to make money to be produced, I still have to wonder who are they trying to sell to by cresting the $200k mark.
My feeling about the Japanese automakers in general is they pride themselves on making a quality product for less. Whether or not that transfers to a halo car, is beyond my knowledge, but I would, agreeing with others in this thread, venture to guess their "halo" vehicles will be below the $150k price point.
Speculation can be fun...
Before I read the replies, I agreed with much of the thread orginator's arguement about pricing of the Honda and Toyota product. I still do, but if it is in fact true that halo cars don't have to make money to be produced, I still have to wonder who are they trying to sell to by cresting the $200k mark.
My feeling about the Japanese automakers in general is they pride themselves on making a quality product for less. Whether or not that transfers to a halo car, is beyond my knowledge, but I would, agreeing with others in this thread, venture to guess their "halo" vehicles will be below the $150k price point.
Speculation can be fun...
#18
i can see the LF-A being priced at 200k. as much as we dont want that to happen, 'most of us' are not in lexus' plans for the LF-A. First of all, a loaded LS600 hybrid can top $120k. Why cant their Halo Supercar hit $200k?
Also, losing $ on a halo car is just a small part of the equation. Raising a brand's image, and even having one on the showroom that can help sell loads of IS,ES,GS,LS (not to mention raising prestige of their new F division) will overall benefit a brand. $200k will further separate lexus and acura. this isn't a car about value, it's limited and it will sell to the rich regardless of $150k or $200k.
lexus is using this car to move their other car prices more upmarket, not for value conscious consumers out there.
Also, losing $ on a halo car is just a small part of the equation. Raising a brand's image, and even having one on the showroom that can help sell loads of IS,ES,GS,LS (not to mention raising prestige of their new F division) will overall benefit a brand. $200k will further separate lexus and acura. this isn't a car about value, it's limited and it will sell to the rich regardless of $150k or $200k.
lexus is using this car to move their other car prices more upmarket, not for value conscious consumers out there.
#19
Originally Posted by JohnnyChang,Jul 28 2008, 11:31 AM
Like the OP said no one know for sure what price on these cars are but even if they are why people complain. It as if Ferrari and Lamborghini ONLY car that can be 200K
I dont understand why people complain if LF-A close to 200K.
For one thing people forget value of dollar drop like rock but also...
Let me ask you...what if just what if LF-A has super performance better than say Ferrari Scuderia at 200K price but is reliable just like average Lexus? What if it car you can drive no problem till 100K miles? What if you can take it to local lexus dealer for simple maintenance like you do every other Lexus???
Ferrari Porsche Lamborghini...the big complain is their reliability. You always see some fool with not enough money but who is interested in these cars always ask about maintenance cost. That is biggest concern for potential buyer of these cars. And concern is valid. have you seen repair bills for Ferrari??? Why so many low mileage Ferrari and Lamborghini when you look in Ebay or autotrader? What kind of garbage car you spend 200K dollars and more for but you have to worry about changing clutch or F1 transmission after a few thousand miles? Why should we spend 200K more on acr and worry about huge maintenance bill after a few thousand miles? What fraud! I'm happy Japanese company will show them competition!
Now imagine if somehow Lexus make car with better perforamce but is super reliable. Car you can maintain easily and drive everyday with no problem like very other ELxus? I think many people will like this HAHA!
And Lexus not boring anymore. I take ride in IS-F and car is very fun! If LExus makes super car that looks good and is super reliable which I know it will be then I say price is ok!
I dont understand why people complain if LF-A close to 200K.
For one thing people forget value of dollar drop like rock but also...
Let me ask you...what if just what if LF-A has super performance better than say Ferrari Scuderia at 200K price but is reliable just like average Lexus? What if it car you can drive no problem till 100K miles? What if you can take it to local lexus dealer for simple maintenance like you do every other Lexus???
Ferrari Porsche Lamborghini...the big complain is their reliability. You always see some fool with not enough money but who is interested in these cars always ask about maintenance cost. That is biggest concern for potential buyer of these cars. And concern is valid. have you seen repair bills for Ferrari??? Why so many low mileage Ferrari and Lamborghini when you look in Ebay or autotrader? What kind of garbage car you spend 200K dollars and more for but you have to worry about changing clutch or F1 transmission after a few thousand miles? Why should we spend 200K more on acr and worry about huge maintenance bill after a few thousand miles? What fraud! I'm happy Japanese company will show them competition!
Now imagine if somehow Lexus make car with better perforamce but is super reliable. Car you can maintain easily and drive everyday with no problem like very other ELxus? I think many people will like this HAHA!
And Lexus not boring anymore. I take ride in IS-F and car is very fun! If LExus makes super car that looks good and is super reliable which I know it will be then I say price is ok!
You did bring out some good points. Japan already did offer a marble with incredible reliability in the 90s, the NSX. It's reliability is what put Ferrari and others to think a little harder. Today out of the great sports cars makers in the world, Porsche is the one that has proven its reliability very well for its performance. Honda should keep raising the bar for them from time to time.
#20
let's not forget that the japanese business culture value market share significantly more than the US and other countries. Pricing yourself away from as many consumers as possible isn't the best way to gain sheer volume...