rockville

Well LL that shows Buick and Caddy above Honda and Chevy just a few spots below...

Lice Locket

Buick, Chevy and Cadillac makes up GM? Because, I could be wrong, but I thought it also included Saturn, GMC, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, and Saab.

Silverstreak HX

Not DUMB enough to buy a GM piece of junk!!
Besides Consumer Reports evidence I see enough GM quality on rollbacks.

rockville

Well aside from SAAB the others are right around average so what's the problem? According to that link, GM brands (minus SAAB) are average or above. That hardly supports your claims that they are junk. Then again facts haven't always been your strong suit.

rockville

You were dumb enough to think that initial site had good information. Perhaps you should stop by a GM dealer today

Lice Locket

Doesn't support my claims that they are junk? Ok, let me ask you a question. Why couldn't the GM cars sell that well without the employee discount? Heck, why did they extend that promotion by an additional month! Why didn't people buy their cars without the discount? If you believe that I'm the only person who believe GM cars are junk, then you are the one who needs to do more research. Most people who are on my side dont' need "facts," but if your "facts" say that GM cars are great, why don't you go ahead buy yourself a SSR and an Aveo.

steve c

Bleh. I am not that smart, why am I the only one who remembers this shit?

DETROIT, June 29, 2005; Following best-ever results reported last month in J.D. Power and Associates' Initial Quality Study, General Motors received eight "Most Dependable" awards and placed 18 vehicles in the top three of their respective segments -- more than any other automaker -- in the 2005 J.D. Power and Associates Vehicle Dependability Study released today.

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...30/136286.html

Go home fanboys.

Discounts? I guess that national Honda clearance for which I just saw a TV ad was a figment of my imagination.

Sigh.

steven975

remember guys, there is a BIG, BIG difference between ONE YEAR relaibility (based on "problems" per 100 vehicles) and LONG TERM reliability.

IMO, the whole "problems" thing is meaningless. That can be anything from a broken cupholder to a blown tranny. They are all counted the same. That whole JD power thing is meaningless to me.

My impression of long term reliability: the ratio of cars that are IN SERVICE and 10 years old compared to the sales of that year are lower for the domestics IMO.

steven975

Honda does a year-end clearance EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

also, they don't have to discount an average of $4500 a vehicle.

NFRs2000NYC

JD power is done with owners filling out a postcard and sending it back. Ive done it to all my cars. They do not provide accurate results.....


Even if Honda WAS number one, you cant judge anything with JD.