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Old 08-15-2013, 02:35 PM
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KERS is an unnecessary gimmick that only acts to further separate the haves from the have-nots. It adds to cost and is another system that can fail in a race as well. In a misguided attempt to provide a stupid "push2pass" system. Bleh!

DRS is an OBSCENE gimmick. Giving the trailing car a HUGE speed advantage on the straights is the antithesis of real racing.

All they've ever needed to do to make a raceable series is to FIX the stupid aero formula, but every single time they botch it.

Flat bottoms and stepped flat bottoms were a bad idea, but the FIA refuses to accept it. They should allow limited underbody veturis to allow the cars to get most of their downforce from that.

Wings should be much smaller, particularly the front. When they made the rear wing narrower, they were kind of on the right track, reducing upwash on trailing cars front wings. But at the same time they made the front wing much bigger, which of course makes its front grip MORE affected by upwash from the leading car. DUMB, and looks quite ridiculous as well.

Drastically reduce downforce from wings (fewer elements, shorter chord, reduced camber, much narrower front wing) and allow some underbody aero, then the cars can race without "push2pass" (aka KERS) or the positively absurd DRS.
Old 08-15-2013, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ZDan
Whaddya expect? Anyway, this "turbo era" isn't going to be anything like as fun as the previous one...
There's probably a lot of awesome things that will trickle down to road cars from it though
Old 08-15-2013, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ZDan
KERS is an unnecessary gimmick that only acts to further separate the haves from the have-nots. It adds to cost and is another system that can fail in a race as well. In a misguided attempt to provide a stupid "push2pass" system. Bleh!

DRS is an OBSCENE gimmick. Giving the trailing car a HUGE speed advantage on the straights is the antithesis of real racing.

All they've ever needed to do to make a raceable series is to FIX the stupid aero formula, but every single time they botch it.

Flat bottoms and stepped flat bottoms were a bad idea, but the FIA refuses to accept it. They should allow limited underbody veturis to allow the cars to get most of their downforce from that.

Wings should be much smaller, particularly the front. When they made the rear wing narrower, they were kind of on the right track, reducing upwash on trailing cars front wings. But at the same time they made the front wing much bigger, which of course makes its front grip MORE affected by upwash from the leading car. DUMB, and looks quite ridiculous as well.

Drastically reduce downforce from wings (fewer elements, shorter chord, reduced camber, much narrower front wing) and allow some underbody aero, then the cars can race without "push2pass" (aka KERS) or the positively absurd DRS.
I pretty much agree with you. They need to reduce the dependence on aero grip and increase mechanical grip.

I dont have a problem with KERS though. You can use it strategically and where ever you want. DRS is a gimmick.
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change the engine requirement to 2 different engines. 1. 2.0L 4 cylinder that can rev up to 9000rpm or 2. 2.2L 4 cylinder that can rev up to 8000rpm. both with DOHC and vtec allowed. you must put the engine in front of the driver and it must be rear wheel drive car.
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I like a simple formula that isn't so binding.
Formula 1 should be the place where abstract thinking and new ideas are created without the huge constraints of the current rulebook.
I'd prefer that the rules for the premier class were:

Same tires.
Same fuel, You can restrict quantity to keep a ridiculous hog from competition, but don't make it some greenie weenie race...
Same wheelbase and max length width, height.
4 wheels, 2 max driven by engine.
Anything else goes.

I'd be more interested in new technological aero mechanical thinking as long as it's safe.

I don't want to see it turned into a Skittle Flush, all about the personalities, not the cars, that other forms of racing have taken on.
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Originally Posted by madkimchi
change the engine requirement to 2 different engines. 1. 2.0L 4 cylinder that can rev up to 9000rpm or 2. 2.2L 4 cylinder that can rev up to 8000rpm. both with DOHC and vtec allowed. you must put the engine in front of the driver and it must be rear wheel drive car.
huh? Are you talking about normal cars?

The engine placement will never be changed from mid for F1.

I think you need to go back and research how high F1 engines rev. You are 7,000-11,000 rpm short of all historical engines.. .
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Originally Posted by madkimchi
change the engine requirement to 2 different engines. 1. 2.0L 4 cylinder that can rev up to 9000rpm or 2. 2.2L 4 cylinder that can rev up to 8000rpm. both with DOHC and vtec allowed. you must put the engine in front of the driver and it must be rear wheel drive car.

LOL at VTEC in F1 cars. Actually, LOL at all of that.
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This article is right up to par with the rest of the content CNN puts out. No big surprises for me.
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Originally Posted by S2k007
Originally Posted by mosesbotbol' timestamp='1376580546' post='22725971
Many problems with F1 show as it is. Need to bring back refueling, need points on Qualifying, bigger engines, and more testing time. Just to start...
There are problems in F1 but none you mentioned.
Bigger engines have a better sound & impact. Sound is major part of the Grand Prix experience.

Points for Qualifying will actually let the back running teams have a better shot at getting points as they can set up their car more for Qualifying (in addition to bringing back refueling). In addition to them getting some points, it will mix up the starting grid.
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Originally Posted by berny2435
Originally Posted by madkimchi' timestamp='1376626836' post='22727284
change the engine requirement to 2 different engines. 1. 2.0L 4 cylinder that can rev up to 9000rpm or 2. 2.2L 4 cylinder that can rev up to 8000rpm. both with DOHC and vtec allowed. you must put the engine in front of the driver and it must be rear wheel drive car.
huh? Are you talking about normal cars?

The engine placement will never be changed from mid for F1.

I think you need to go back and research how high F1 engines rev. You are 7,000-11,000 rpm short of all historical engines.. .
Heck, F1 engines idle near 7,000 rpm...


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