Car and Bike Talk Discussions and comparisons of cars and motorcycles of all makes and models.

A different approach to mild hybrid

Thread Tools
 
Old 06-27-2010 | 07:08 PM
  #1  
Elistan's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 15,323
Likes: 28
From: Longmont, CO
Default A different approach to mild hybrid

http://green.autoblog.com/2010/06/18/2011-...ke-energy-rege/

Apparently BMW has been doing this for a couple years, and it's new to Porsche. The engineering nerd in me likes it. I wonder why I haven't heard of it before? Maybe I just missed the discussion.

Anyway, it works by first equipping the car with a deep-cycle battery that doesn't mind being drained. Then during acceleration and some cruising, the alternator is disabled and the electrics run off battery only. Porsche says the MPG goes from 19.3 to 20.5 mpg. Finally, to recharge the battery, the alternator is only used during braking and lift-throttle operation.

(I'm sure for highway driving, once the battery capacity gets low enough, the alternator is used to keep things running.)

It's not a huge increase in mileage, but it seems to only require a new battery and a software change. It sounds like something that could very easily be adapted to every non-hybrid out there for minimal cost, and provide some decent savings. ($136 per year for the Panamera at 15k miles per year and $3/gal.)
Old 06-27-2010 | 10:31 PM
  #2  
Chris S's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 11,613
Likes: 1
From: North Richland Hills, TX
Default

My M3 has it, and BMW claims up to 3% energy savings. Net net, it turns a big gas hog into a slightly less big gas hog!
Old 06-28-2010 | 10:21 AM
  #3  
Elistan's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 15,323
Likes: 28
From: Longmont, CO
Default

I assume the M3 requires a special battery?
Old 06-28-2010 | 10:28 AM
  #4  
Chris S's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 11,613
Likes: 1
From: North Richland Hills, TX
Default

I have no idea.
Old 06-28-2010 | 10:43 AM
  #5  
Mr.E.G.'s Avatar
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 6,280
Likes: 118
Default

I'm assuming that the alternator just has some sort of a clutch on it, right? Why not do the same treatment to the power steering pump? You don't need that loss all of time either.


This is the part where you guys tell me that if I owned a car from this decade that I would already know that X car already does this, right?
Old 06-28-2010 | 11:06 AM
  #6  
Elistan's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 15,323
Likes: 28
From: Longmont, CO
Default

What, like the S2000 not even having a power steering pump?

Anyway, sounds like there isn't clutch for the alternator, rather they simply run it with zero load - so it freewheels without resistance.
Old 06-28-2010 | 11:08 AM
  #7  
rioyellows2k's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 4,894
Likes: 1
From: USA
Default

Now they just need to add cylinder deactivation, and auto stop like Honda.
Old 06-28-2010 | 11:39 AM
  #8  
Elistan's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 15,323
Likes: 28
From: Longmont, CO
Default

Funny you say that: "The Auto Start Stop function has also been optimised, now allowing the driver to set off again even faster and more comfortably after coming to a halt."

I just didn't mention it, along with the low rolling resistance tires, because it's older tech.

(Far as I can tell, cylinder deactivation isn't part of the Porsche lineup anywhere.)
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
andy2000
UK & Ireland S2000 Community
6
03-22-2013 03:27 AM
jpembry
S2000 Under The Hood
10
12-30-2011 06:33 AM
Ks320
S2000 Talk
20
04-25-2009 04:49 AM
fadiss2k
S2000 Forced Induction
2
07-11-2007 08:51 AM
ladius
S2000 Talk
11
04-15-2006 11:00 AM



Quick Reply: A different approach to mild hybrid



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 06:43 PM.