decided to give my S2000 a playmate
08-14-2013, 05:02 AM
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i find it funny that the thing people keep bringing up are the tires, like anyone has stock tires on their S2000
i think i should sell my S2K because it came with tires i didn't want, yea that makes sense
i think i should sell my S2K because it came with tires i didn't want, yea that makes sense
08-14-2013, 09:47 AM
#43
Everyone seems to forget that the prius tires on the FR-S/BRZ are the optional equipment tires (on the Prius).
Say they're shitty all you want. They're less than 1.5 seconds slower on a 2 minute track than Hankook RS3s. In other words, they have more grip than the OEM s2000 tires.
Tire tech has come a long way...
@ZDan: difference in MPG, in my experience, is ~26 average on Z1SS/RPF1 vs ~35 on OEM tires/rims. It's a pretty substantial difference.
Say they're shitty all you want. They're less than 1.5 seconds slower on a 2 minute track than Hankook RS3s. In other words, they have more grip than the OEM s2000 tires.
Tire tech has come a long way...
@ZDan: difference in MPG, in my experience, is ~26 average on Z1SS/RPF1 vs ~35 on OEM tires/rims. It's a pretty substantial difference.
You're actually claiming that Michelin's GRAND TOURING all-season tire has more grip than a max-performance summer tire? C'mon, man. On the same car, they're nowhere near as grippy.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/special-...transformation
In other words, on that 1.5 minute track, they dropped 2.3 seconds by moving to a max-perf summer tire. There's no way the Michelin GT tire is nearly as grippy as a decent (not to mention, excellent) performance summer tire.
08-14-2013, 10:23 AM
#45
Originally Posted by psychoazn' timestamp='1376438773' post='22722740
Everyone seems to forget that the prius tires on the FR-S/BRZ are the optional equipment tires (on the Prius).
Say they're shitty all you want. They're less than 1.5 seconds slower on a 2 minute track than Hankook RS3s. In other words, they have more grip than the OEM s2000 tires.
Tire tech has come a long way...
@ZDan: difference in MPG, in my experience, is ~26 average on Z1SS/RPF1 vs ~35 on OEM tires/rims. It's a pretty substantial difference.
Say they're shitty all you want. They're less than 1.5 seconds slower on a 2 minute track than Hankook RS3s. In other words, they have more grip than the OEM s2000 tires.
Tire tech has come a long way...
@ZDan: difference in MPG, in my experience, is ~26 average on Z1SS/RPF1 vs ~35 on OEM tires/rims. It's a pretty substantial difference.
You're actually claiming that Michelin's GRAND TOURING all-season tire has more grip than a max-performance summer tire? C'mon, man. On the same car, they're nowhere near as grippy.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/special-...transformation
In other words, on that 1.5 minute track, they dropped 2.3 seconds by moving to a max-perf summer tire. There's no way the Michelin GT tire is nearly as grippy as a decent (not to mention, excellent) performance summer tire.
08-14-2013, 10:25 AM
#46
Congrats on the purchase, and welcome to the club! 
You may not have noticed this, but the FR-S is now Scion's best selling car by a wide margin. Over 25,000 a year. Meanwhile the BRZ is creeping along at around 4,000 a year. Subaru's supply is more limited than Scion (Toyota)'s due to their production agreement. For every 10 cars built 9 are Toyotas/Scions and just 1 is a Subaru.
And the Gunma factory is no where near its production capacity limit. They just aren't selling. Very likely because the FR-S is attempting to be a halo car for an afterthought brand who's whole purpose was to increase volume by appealing to the very "entry level" market. And in that respect, this car doesn't fit. If you noticed, the BRZ isn't having the same issue...
08-14-2013, 10:30 AM
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08-14-2013, 10:48 AM
#48
I'd never let tires have much influence into a car buying decision. They're CONSUMABLES, for Christ's sake! What next, are y'all going to be dissing the car b/c you don't like the oil or brake fluid that it comes with?
08-14-2013, 11:24 AM
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08-14-2013, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by psychoazn' timestamp='1376438773' post='22722740
Everyone seems to forget that the prius tires on the FR-S/BRZ are the optional equipment tires (on the Prius).
"Oh we need tires? Shoot, we don't want to raise the cost of building the car too much...let's see what we have left in the Prius parts bin..."
It is why the Civic Si comes equipped with Michelin all seasons but also includes options for a summer tire and larger wheel & tire options.
They did not just pick the tire from the parts bin as an after thought. I'm pretty sure it was given considerable thought and the best tire that would suit the needs of 90% of the buyers selected.
For a "crappy hybrid" tire you should know they cost more than a performance tire like the RS-3 because they are engineered for low-rolling resistance. It is also that feature of the tire that makes it easy and a joy to get the tail out from TTO.