Dead - ICE Cayman, Boxster, and Macan
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Agreed with everything you said, but what @darcyw is pointing to is Porsche is clearly committing to electrification by axing ICE in their most popular models, stupidly, and Porsche isn't quite alone in this respect. Like the Jar Jar Binks metaphor, let's not forget that this trend was pioneered, besides Tesla, by VW who set the arbitrary date of, what was it, 2033? And since Porsche falls under that umbrella, this is not surprising. I think the companies that largely fought pure electrification (Toyota) just seem to have a louder voice these days, much like people speaking against woke.
https://www.carthrottle.com/news/vw-...s-its-ev-plans
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EV depreciate like mad so only buy used and I’d give anything “new” as in FMC, 18-24 months on the street, from first deliveries, to purchase. I just posted a video where a guy by a launch edition CT. He sold it for a slight profit, like $2k or something, because projections are for 30% depreciation the first year. He then purchased that $70k Caddy EV CUV thing, for like $36k or something. I’m going to sell/trade my 10+ year old Leaf in the next 12 months for a MY2023 that is already at $21k. That’s the top trim, with like 6k on the ODO.
Hybrids don’t depreciate like EV’s do.
Hybrids don’t depreciate like EV’s do.
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Surprised the Macan is on the EV only list as that has to be their biggest seller by a long way, especially in base form.
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VW has pushed back their plans to electrify (purely) and moved to plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) in the meantime. Research over the past ten years show that PHEVs offer virtually all of the benefits (in terms of emissions) of EVs without the cost, range anxiety, etc. They are a far better solution for our existing infrastructure without adding undue costs and complexities.
https://www.carthrottle.com/news/vw-...s-its-ev-plans
https://www.carthrottle.com/news/vw-...s-its-ev-plans
Yeah it was hilarious how people thought the EV event horizon was upon us and VW was the prophet, the fact that it was VW should indicate how half baked the idea was, heck their home country wasn't even on board with it from the get go. I'm sure there social signaling had nothing to do with all the egg on their face due to dieselgate.
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Wow, end of an era. I wonder if they'll ever end up using ICE powerplants for these cars again, we'll see.
On the note of model refreshes.. I have to wonder if OEMs like honda, toyota, etc. go to longer product refresh cycles and smaller iterations between new models. Maybe this is already the norm, I havent been paying too close attention. I'm sure it's not cheap to design a new chassis from top to bottom. As you pointed out Jonboy, you have Tesla with the Model S that's been around forever. I'm sure they've made iterative changes and improvements but not a ground up new design.
On the note of model refreshes.. I have to wonder if OEMs like honda, toyota, etc. go to longer product refresh cycles and smaller iterations between new models. Maybe this is already the norm, I havent been paying too close attention. I'm sure it's not cheap to design a new chassis from top to bottom. As you pointed out Jonboy, you have Tesla with the Model S that's been around forever. I'm sure they've made iterative changes and improvements but not a ground up new design.
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I'm not sure how much potential EV buyers follow battery R&D, or appreciate the pace of improvement, but we're still in the very early phases of the shift to EVs. We're just starting to see 400kwh recharging (of course infrastructure is still a problem). At 450kwh we're close enough to ICE refueling that I doubt people will care. Sodium ion batteries are becoming a reality. They have better temperature and recharge capability. Presently, they don't have Li energy density. Point I'm making are things are still improving at a pace where buying something now will result with you having something whose tech will be woefully outpaced in years resulting in massive depeciation. I appreciate we have to start somewhere, but I like Toyota's approach more.
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I'm not sure how much potential EV buyers follow battery R&D, or appreciate the pace of improvement, but we're still in the very early phases of the shift to EVs. We're just starting to see 400kwh recharging (of course infrastructure is still a problem). At 450kwh we're close enough to ICE refueling that I doubt people will care. Sodium ion batteries are becoming a reality. They have better temperature and recharge capability. Presently, they don't have Li energy density. Point I'm making are things are still improving at a pace where buying something now will result with you having something whose tech will be woefully outpaced in years resulting in massive depeciation. I appreciate we have to start somewhere, but I like Toyota's approach more.
Expensive EV’s are just plain dumb unless you get one used, after a significant depreciation hit.
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The only reason I would buy a Porsche is because of the lovely engine sound and mechanical awesomeness - gears , shifters, exhaust etc.
I don't want a Porsche that is just the same as a Kia EV with the porsche logo and porsche price tag. No way.
I don't want a Porsche that is just the same as a Kia EV with the porsche logo and porsche price tag. No way.
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I'm not sure how much potential EV buyers follow battery R&D, or appreciate the pace of improvement, but we're still in the very early phases of the shift to EVs. We're just starting to see 400kwh recharging (of course infrastructure is still a problem). At 450kwh we're close enough to ICE refueling that I doubt people will care. Sodium ion batteries are becoming a reality. They have better temperature and recharge capability. Presently, they don't have Li energy density. Point I'm making are things are still improving at a pace where buying something now will result with you having something whose tech will be woefully outpaced in years resulting in massive depeciation. I appreciate we have to start somewhere, but I like Toyota's approach more.
If they can get SSBs going, it solves a good chunk of the problems with current battery tech. Cheaper, lighter, higher energy density, less heat generated, and way faster charging times (5% to ~80% in 5 minutes).
Doesn't fix the lack of driving engagement though...
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Yup. I've been following solid state battery tech. Quantum Scape (QS) just popped 50% this week after signing a deal with VW. They delivered prototypes last year for in-car testing and have been reporting very positive test results along with better mfg. capabilities to in order to hit EV price parity with ICE and hybrids.
If they can get SSBs going, it solves a good chunk of the problems with current battery tech. Cheaper, lighter, higher energy density, less heat generated, and way faster charging times (5% to ~80% in 5 minutes).
Doesn't fix the lack of driving engagement though...
If they can get SSBs going, it solves a good chunk of the problems with current battery tech. Cheaper, lighter, higher energy density, less heat generated, and way faster charging times (5% to ~80% in 5 minutes).
Doesn't fix the lack of driving engagement though...