View Poll Results: Civic Si or WRX
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Current gen Civic Si or WRX?
10-13-2015, 05:39 AM
#11
I did have a 2013 SI as my DD, was totalled when someone ran a stop sign and I hit them at 45 MPH. I replaced it with a 2015 SI and the 2015 has some nice new features the 2013 did not. MSRP is about 23710 and I got it for 23K out the door including everything. Honda has $500 "owner loyalty" they give as a down payment so after that I was $22500 otd
10-13-2015, 06:51 AM
#12
I think i'm about to cut my balls off and neuter the wrx into a regular impreza 5door.
It'll be a dog, but it's way cheaper, there less stress on the ej-block based motor (as opposed to an unproven fa20-dit motor, which had problems in the frs/brz).
It actually gets better mpg than the civic si (22-31) vs (28-37). And, i'll have the awd i want. Plus, it'll be such a mundane car that i wouldn't think of modifying (which I'd inevitably do with both the Si and WRX).
No VWs, reliability is suspect, same with bmw - I know things that need to be done that BMW owners consider "maintenance items".
I think the NA EJ motor should be reliable, but not going to be as reliable as the k24.
It'll be a dog, but it's way cheaper, there less stress on the ej-block based motor (as opposed to an unproven fa20-dit motor, which had problems in the frs/brz).
It actually gets better mpg than the civic si (22-31) vs (28-37). And, i'll have the awd i want. Plus, it'll be such a mundane car that i wouldn't think of modifying (which I'd inevitably do with both the Si and WRX).
No VWs, reliability is suspect, same with bmw - I know things that need to be done that BMW owners consider "maintenance items".
I think the NA EJ motor should be reliable, but not going to be as reliable as the k24.
The WRX will have better resale than the Civic. Go WRX.
10-13-2015, 08:54 AM
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I would also vote for an Impreza 5dr (hatch). Utility, awd, and available in a manual. Have you also considered the XV crosstrek? It is basically a lifted Impreza, so better clearance for snow. Only bad thing about the Impreza or Crosstrek vs a Civic Si is that it has a 5 speed instead of a 6. Good luck!
10-13-2015, 09:38 AM
#14
Thanks everyone for the the correction on the motor - I was searching for and came up with nothing (only wrx came up with FA20 based block), so I assumed it was still running on the old EJ.
That actually kind of makes me feel better having the FB over the EJ or the FA. I know the problem with the BRZ/FRS were the seals on the direct injectors, which would go bad due to timing changes when constantly adjusting throttle position (like you do when driving on the track).
I was looking at used SH-AWD TLs with 6-spd, but they only get 17-25 mpg on premium fuel - not exactly a DD. It would have been perfect otherwise - fell within budget, luxury, awd, manual, reliable, safe. The WRX isn't much better at 20-27, and also needing premium fuel. I'm gonna skip the Crosstrek, it's over stylized, and I don't need that much ground clearance. I live in SoCal... the snow I see is because i'm driving to it, and 90% of the time that's going to be Big Bear. I won't have to worry about more than 6" of snow max, and it will almost always be plowed.
I was dead set on the Si before I decided I should sell my truck. Si would have been a decent compromise between practical with some excitement. Now, I need the vehicle to be practical and have utility. I think an impreza 5door 2.0i sport premium fills all of the utility, practicality, and safety check boxes. It's getting redesigned for 2017 with a mid to late 2016 release. There's enough history on its reliability, and I should have bargaining power since the car isn't in demand...
That actually kind of makes me feel better having the FB over the EJ or the FA. I know the problem with the BRZ/FRS were the seals on the direct injectors, which would go bad due to timing changes when constantly adjusting throttle position (like you do when driving on the track).
I was looking at used SH-AWD TLs with 6-spd, but they only get 17-25 mpg on premium fuel - not exactly a DD. It would have been perfect otherwise - fell within budget, luxury, awd, manual, reliable, safe. The WRX isn't much better at 20-27, and also needing premium fuel. I'm gonna skip the Crosstrek, it's over stylized, and I don't need that much ground clearance. I live in SoCal... the snow I see is because i'm driving to it, and 90% of the time that's going to be Big Bear. I won't have to worry about more than 6" of snow max, and it will almost always be plowed.
I was dead set on the Si before I decided I should sell my truck. Si would have been a decent compromise between practical with some excitement. Now, I need the vehicle to be practical and have utility. I think an impreza 5door 2.0i sport premium fills all of the utility, practicality, and safety check boxes. It's getting redesigned for 2017 with a mid to late 2016 release. There's enough history on its reliability, and I should have bargaining power since the car isn't in demand...
10-13-2015, 10:37 AM
#15
What's cheaper - lower efficiency or repairs on an "unreliable" vehicle?
How many miles do you drive a year? What's the difference between 21 mpg and 24 mpg average? I'll bet it's less than $500 a year.
How many miles do you drive a year? What's the difference between 21 mpg and 24 mpg average? I'll bet it's less than $500 a year.
10-13-2015, 10:47 AM
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10-13-2015, 11:32 AM
#18
Originally Posted by mosesbotbol' timestamp='1444742208' post='23774047
Stay away from WRX unless you are leasing it. They age quickly. Can't go wrong with a Honda product in terms of quality for the money.
10-13-2015, 11:39 AM
#19
I drive around 15-20K miles per year. It's more than $500 per year.
I also don't see an NA Subie that will see no modifications as an unreliable vehicle. I see plenty of older subies on the road, and they're usually all the non-turbo models.
Will it be as reliable as a honda? doubtful. That said, I've never used chains on my truck, and i've been caught in 15" of unplowed snow before. Of course I don't expect the subie to be able to do that (it'll turn into a snowplow with that depth), but i'm fairly certain it'll fair better than an Si. I also think the dog of an impreza will do better in snow vs. the wrx. Driving in those conditions isn't about power, it's about patience, smoothness, and a slight bit of finesse.
I'm probably going to go used on the impreza 5 door, which is looking like I can find for less than $18K easily.
$10k of savings compounded at a conservative average of 6% per year for the next 10+ years blows both the SH-AWD TL and the WRX out of the water, even with resale value. Combine that with the fuel savings (mpg and non-premium fuel), and it looks like a financial no brainer. I also won't consider a used WRX - not here. They're all modded or previously modded and returned to stock... That's a big no for that car.
10-13-2015, 11:43 AM
#20
Originally Posted by Marioshi' timestamp='1444762071' post='23774402
[quote name='mosesbotbol' timestamp='1444742208' post='23774047']
Stay away from WRX unless you are leasing it. They age quickly. Can't go wrong with a Honda product in terms of quality for the money.
Stay away from WRX unless you are leasing it. They age quickly. Can't go wrong with a Honda product in terms of quality for the money.
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I would strongly disagree with this statement. I had 130k on my STi when I got rid of that with 0 issues, I had an 02 WRX wagon with about 160k on it, again with 0 issues, my wife had an 02 2.5RS with over 150k on it with 0 issues, we had an 05 LGT Limited we got rid of with just over 140k with 0 issues...My wife us currently driving a 11 LGT limited and we've had 0 issues with that... just trying to point out a trend here.
Subies are know for being very reliable and very safe. Not to mention resale as mentioned above.
Go with the WRX.