This car will bailout GM's money woes..
12-21-2008, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by 2007 Zx-10,Dec 21 2008, 10:22 AM
I'm thowing the bs flag on this....what is the rwhp of a Charger?
power to weight is progressively less an advantage from an 80 mph roll, no way you walked away from him if he was in the right gear
power to weight is progressively less an advantage from an 80 mph roll, no way you walked away from him if he was in the right gear
I kicked the sh-t out of an RX-7 the other day too,
, god those cars are slow
12-21-2008, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDonEffect,Dec 21 2008, 01:03 PM
I always thought that the ford motor was heavier, the ls motor may be bigger in displacement, but physically it's smaller.
MSRP on the last SS loaded was no where near $26k. Think more like $33.
Based on the performance numbers I've seen on the 375 hp Challenger, I'd guess more like 347.5 hp. It traps a little faster than a stock s2k, so I have no problem believing that a turbo s2k walked it big time.
They will sell a bunch of these. The SS for low 30s is a great deal. Some folks like performance cars, need a back seat (even if small) and have less than $35k to spend. This looks like a nice answer.
I'm laughing about this "would be perfect if it was the same size as an s2000". That would leave you a little short on room for the v8 and back seats. Not every car competes directly with the s2k.
I'll guess that a stock tired SS will run 12.8 at about 111 without much problem.
12-21-2008, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDonEffect,Dec 21 2008, 01:53 PM
Honda expects you to buy their 268hp fwd V6 Accord Coupe that weighs a little over 3400lbs that gets 17 city/25 highway for 26K starting.
12-21-2008, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDonEffect,Dec 21 2008, 03:03 PM
I always thought that the ford motor was heavier, the ls motor may be bigger in displacement, but physically it's smaller.
For an Accord V6 Coupe, you could get a V6 Camaro that makes more power, weighs only 200 pounds more, gets better fuel mileage, is rear wheel drive, and you pocket the $3000 difference before dealer incentives? Sure why not.
12-21-2008, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDonEffect,Dec 21 2008, 10:53 AM
Honda expects you to buy their 268hp fwd V6 Accord Coupe that weighs a little over 3400lbs that gets 17 city/25 highway for 26K starting.
I'd wager that the 8-year cost of ownership of the Camaro will be much higher than an Accord.
Especially with the concern of dealerships closing and GM being in dire straits.
If they can jettison the UAW, they should go the Hyundai route and start off winning customers from the bottom up... with good quality, cheap cars.
12-21-2008, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr. WOT,Dec 21 2008, 11:18 AM
Based on how many I see each day, this is apparently a very reasonable expectation...
12-21-2008, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by wills2k106,Dec 21 2008, 11:57 AM
I stand corrected. I looked and couldn't find anywhere that the modular weighed less than an LS. I guess the bigger slugs in the LS series are more than made up for by the vacated space in the block for them.
For an Accord V6 Coupe, you could get a V6 Camaro that makes more power, weighs only 200 pounds more, gets better fuel mileage, is rear wheel drive, and you pocket the $3000 difference before dealer incentives? Sure why not.
For an Accord V6 Coupe, you could get a V6 Camaro that makes more power, weighs only 200 pounds more, gets better fuel mileage, is rear wheel drive, and you pocket the $3000 difference before dealer incentives? Sure why not.
I think a lot of the weight is the fact that they come with those huuuuuge rims, huuuuge heavy body panels which I'm sure are steel, and big ol luxurious power everything interior. So with a diet it may be more comparable to a mustang, but then again perhaps not.
12-21-2008, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr. WOT,Dec 21 2008, 10:13 AM
0% chance that this will be the car saves GM. Don't get me wrong-- it's a great looking car, very nicely appointed, and I'm sure it goes like stink, but...
The bottom line is there is nowhere near enough interest in the performance niche to turn a company around. GM needs a game changer at this point, not more of the same. Their problem has as much to do with perception as it does product, so stuffing another v8 into another heavy semi-performance car does nothing to change people's view of GM as a company.
I think the Volt could be the car that bails out GM's money woes, but it's starting to look a day late and a dollar short.
The bottom line is there is nowhere near enough interest in the performance niche to turn a company around. GM needs a game changer at this point, not more of the same. Their problem has as much to do with perception as it does product, so stuffing another v8 into another heavy semi-performance car does nothing to change people's view of GM as a company.
I think the Volt could be the car that bails out GM's money woes, but it's starting to look a day late and a dollar short.
