This car will bailout GM's money woes..
12-21-2008, 09:05 AM
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Funny how the Camaro is described as a niche product on an S2000 board =D
The Camaro is almost as much of a success as the Mustang was. You'd have to be an absolute moron to call the Mustang a niche car. I'd say 100,000 units is a fair guess. The economy isn't great, but for the price of an S2000 you get a car that returns similar highway mileage has 400+ hp/lb ft, heated leather seats, bluetooth, bose audio system that should be at least decent, etc.
The weight creep is disappointing at nearly 400 pounds heavier than the outgoing SS, but then when compared with its competition its neither heavy nor light. I also wouldn't count on it not being able to handle the turns. According to GM it's done the ring in 8:20 - 19 seconds faster than the S2000.
The Camaro is almost as much of a success as the Mustang was. You'd have to be an absolute moron to call the Mustang a niche car. I'd say 100,000 units is a fair guess. The economy isn't great, but for the price of an S2000 you get a car that returns similar highway mileage has 400+ hp/lb ft, heated leather seats, bluetooth, bose audio system that should be at least decent, etc.
The weight creep is disappointing at nearly 400 pounds heavier than the outgoing SS, but then when compared with its competition its neither heavy nor light. I also wouldn't count on it not being able to handle the turns. According to GM it's done the ring in 8:20 - 19 seconds faster than the S2000.
12-21-2008, 09:13 AM
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0% chance that this will be the car saves GM. Don't get me wrong-- it's a great looking car, very nicely appointed, and I'm sure it goes like stink, but...
The bottom line is there is nowhere near enough interest in the performance niche to turn a company around. GM needs a game changer at this point, not more of the same. Their problem has as much to do with perception as it does product, so stuffing another v8 into another heavy semi-performance car does nothing to change people's view of GM as a company.
I think the Volt could be the car that bails out GM's money woes, but it's starting to look a day late and a dollar short.
The bottom line is there is nowhere near enough interest in the performance niche to turn a company around. GM needs a game changer at this point, not more of the same. Their problem has as much to do with perception as it does product, so stuffing another v8 into another heavy semi-performance car does nothing to change people's view of GM as a company.
I think the Volt could be the car that bails out GM's money woes, but it's starting to look a day late and a dollar short.
12-21-2008, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeyBalls,Dec 21 2008, 09:44 AM
II know I am turbo'd, but I am only putting down 317 to the wheels and I destroyed the 375HP Charger from an 80mph highway roll
power to weight is progressively less an advantage from an 80 mph roll, no way you walked away from him if he was in the right gear
12-21-2008, 09:49 AM
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Not remotely interested. Basically the same concept (albeit with better executiopn) as the Challenger and those are selling like ice cubes to eskimos.
12-21-2008, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by honda606,Dec 21 2008, 08:34 AM
LMFAO! Well that confirms it. At those prices this car will DEFINITELY not make a dent in the sales market. It's absolutely ridiculous they priced an f-body that high. They only did so because they're used to their model of having to take $10-15k off MSRP for someone to buy one of their vehicles. Hilarious pricing.
$31k for a two ton V8? They shot themselves in the foot with those prices. The last gen SS was only like $24-26k fully optioned. GM is run by inept morons.
$31k for a two ton V8? They shot themselves in the foot with those prices. The last gen SS was only like $24-26k fully optioned. GM is run by inept morons.
12-21-2008, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by vader1,Dec 21 2008, 10:49 AM
Not remotely interested. Basically the same concept (albeit with better executiopn) as the Challenger and those are selling like ice cubes to eskimos.
At 3,300 units in November they aren't exactly flying off the lots, but they're hardly a sales disaster especially when you consider that car sales are significantly slower now than last year.
I still doubt the Camaro will turn GM around... it'd take a phenomenal jump in something like F150 sales to do that.
12-21-2008, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by wills2k106,Dec 21 2008, 07:30 AM
The Mustang saves weight by not having an IRS, and by having a smaller motor, which consequently makes significantly less power. The Challenger SRT8 is over 4000 and makes the same power.
And I think the OP was being a little sarcastic about a niche car saving GM, I could be wrong.
And I think the OP was being a little sarcastic about a niche car saving GM, I could be wrong.
