Can someone explain the 350Z models?
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The reason why the Z is so damn heavy is because instead of an ingenious X frame like in our cars, it has a crap frame with a bunch of extra metal welded on as bracing to stiffen up the chassis, which the G35s do not have.
That plus a truck motor, and you get a Nissan "sports car" that Americans love. It has torque, looks really big, and has a great (imho obnoxious) exhaust note.
btw, I don't like Nissan 350Zs
That plus a truck motor, and you get a Nissan "sports car" that Americans love. It has torque, looks really big, and has a great (imho obnoxious) exhaust note.
btw, I don't like Nissan 350Zs
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Originally Posted by MDXLuvr,Oct 28 2004, 09:34 AM
I've had this discussion multiple times. The Track is listed at 3225 lbs. But, thats dry weight. With Full tank of gas, and all fluids, I have seen weight listed at 3400. That's without a driver. That isn't a track car by my definition.
The S2K is very light, and it's an awesome part about it. Nobody is debating that, move on!
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The 350Z offers so much for about $30k.
I believe, in order to get everything you guys are asking for, in terms of optimum weight and performance, you'd spend $50k or more.
I have experienced the 350Z on a track. The weight does not inhibit the car's ability to go around a track fast. In fact, with the right driver, the car hangs with a 911. I have seen this.
I believe, in order to get everything you guys are asking for, in terms of optimum weight and performance, you'd spend $50k or more.
I have experienced the 350Z on a track. The weight does not inhibit the car's ability to go around a track fast. In fact, with the right driver, the car hangs with a 911. I have seen this.
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Originally Posted by Rob Nance,Oct 29 2004, 12:39 AM
I swear, every thread here turns into the S2K weight police vs. the world
Did you read the new C&D. As tested weights for the 911/C6 are over 3200 lbs. That mean a Carrera S will be around 3350lbs. How ridiculous is that. The classic 911, The definition of a sports car, and it weighs 3350lbs.
btw, I will stand by my comment that a Track 350z is 3400 lbs. Curb weight may mean 1 gallon of gas, and a bit of wiper fluid, and full oil/tranny fluid to Nissan. I have seen many car mags list the as tested weight of the 350z at 3400+. I kept thinking that it was the weight with the driver. But, when I looked at the other cars in the C&D comparo, none of them had the same weight increase. Either than mean they used a bunch of females(as some of the weight increases were around 110lbs) or the test equipment is a 100lbs. Neither seems to be a plausible answer.
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Originally Posted by MDXLuvr,Oct 30 2004, 06:11 AM
Did you read the new C&D. As tested weights for the 911/C6 are over 3200 lbs. That mean a Carrera S will be around 3350lbs. How ridiculous is that. The classic 911, The definition of a sports car, and it weighs 3350lbs.
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Originally Posted by jankemi,Oct 30 2004, 08:09 AM
A far cry from my '71 911's 2300 lbs. I can't figure out why - with all of todays technology and high tech materials - that we can't build lighter cars.
If you were to build a sports car with '71 technology and still include modern levels of performance and safety, it would probably weight 4000 lbs..............
I can tell you for sure, I'd rather be in a safe modern car with its higher weight.
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Originally Posted by MDXLuvr,Oct 30 2004, 06:11 AM
btw, I will stand by my comment that a Track 350z is 3400 lbs. Curb weight may mean 1 gallon of gas, and a bit of wiper fluid, and full oil/tranny fluid to Nissan. I have seen many car mags list the as tested weight of the 350z at 3400+. I kept thinking that it was the weight with the driver. But, when I looked at the other cars in the C&D comparo, none of them had the same weight increase. Either than mean they used a bunch of females(as some of the weight increases were around 110lbs) or the test equipment is a 100lbs. Neither seems to be a plausible answer.
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Originally Posted by Elistan,Oct 30 2004, 09:06 AM
One Enthusiast model came in at 3074 lbs, and a Performance model at 3243. The Enthusiast is 105 lbs lighter than Nissan claims, and the Perf is 26 lbs heavier. I think it's entirely reasonable to conclude that Nissan's claimed weights are accurate, and all the magazines who list 3400 lbs are somehow mistaken.
Those weights are competition weights, so they'll be with low fluids. Depending on how low you can run the gas in a 350Z, that could account for 60+ lbs. of weight difference right there.
Those cars are prepped within the allowances of SCCA Stock class competition. If I recall correctly, both still had stock wheels, but one had a straight pipe. I don't know how much a stock 350Z exhaust weighs, but that was probably worth a few dozen pounds.
The scales at Nationals were widely believed to be reading about twenty pounds heavy.
Having said that -- 3400 for a Track model in track-ready trim? I doubt it, unless you're weighing with the driver in the car.
Steve
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Originally Posted by DJSang,Oct 29 2004, 12:14 AM
The reason why the Z is so damn heavy is because instead of an ingenious X frame like in our cars, it has a crap frame with a bunch of extra metal welded on as bracing to stiffen up the chassis, which the G35s do not have.
That plus a truck motor, and you get a Nissan "sports car" that Americans love. It has torque, looks really big, and has a great (imho obnoxious) exhaust note.
btw, I don't like Nissan 350Zs
That plus a truck motor, and you get a Nissan "sports car" that Americans love. It has torque, looks really big, and has a great (imho obnoxious) exhaust note.
btw, I don't like Nissan 350Zs