Business idea - Manual Tranny's into current supercars..?
04-09-2014, 09:17 AM
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Dude, Eric Clapton paid around $3,000,000 for his custom 458 Italia. I'm pretty sure if he (or anyone else with that kinda cash) wanted their Italia or (insert other supercar here) with a manual transmission the manufacturer would do it.
04-09-2014, 11:38 AM
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I heard he wanted it with a V12, but Ferrari wouldn't build it with a V12 for him
04-09-2014, 11:42 AM
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They've changed the layout of some of these cars to where a shift cable would have to stretch for a long ways to make shift. The transmission is at the very back of the motor/car on the 458 Italia. I'm sure the clutch and gear lever could be tuned for feel, but essentially, it would be a gaming stick with hardly any feedback from the gearbox. Might as well be a sequential shift dogbox-like lever action rather than a H-pattern.
sequential shifter action like the Quaife QKE9E for the Lotus Elise/Exige would be fun in many cars but a bit racey for most yuppies I'd bet.
http://quaife.co.uk/shop/search/resu...xonomy%253A619
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxM7Qaywu6A[/media]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxM7Qaywu6A
sequential shifter action like the Quaife QKE9E for the Lotus Elise/Exige would be fun in many cars but a bit racey for most yuppies I'd bet.
http://quaife.co.uk/shop/search/resu...xonomy%253A619
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxM7Qaywu6A[/media]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxM7Qaywu6A
04-09-2014, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k' timestamp='1397063860' post='23104986
Dude, Eric Clapton paid around $3,000,000 for his custom 458 Italia. I'm pretty sure if he (or anyone else with that kinda cash) wanted their Italia or (insert other supercar here) with a manual transmission the manufacturer would do it.
04-09-2014, 12:48 PM
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If buyers actually wanted a 6 or 7 speed, the factory would offer it.
But buyers have spoken with their wallets, and the factories have responded.
So yeah. Horrible business idea.
But buyers have spoken with their wallets, and the factories have responded.
So yeah. Horrible business idea.
04-09-2014, 01:11 PM
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I think part of and maybe even most of the reason behind so many cars going from manual to prodominantly auto, is for performance #s. Another part would be warranty, some of it might even be fuel economy, the other large part is sales (giving the customer what they want). I've seen some threads about people complaining how they can't ever hit the factory performance numbers(shifting and launching is the reason). Now it's easier than ever with launch control and a flapper. A good transmission now allows for better gearing in all situations (7spd 8spd) The 1-2 shift that often kills many 0-60 times is now not a factor with a good smg/dsg etc. 0-60 in under 4 seconds doesn't require as much HP and torque now b/c your first gear doesn't have to go up to 62mph.
If a manual transmission was the way to go, Pro race teams all over the world would be using them. they're not.
If a manual transmission was the way to go, Pro race teams all over the world would be using them. they're not.
04-09-2014, 01:45 PM
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I think part of and maybe even most of the reason behind so many cars going from manual to prodominantly auto, is for performance #s. Another part would be warranty, some of it might even be fuel economy, the other large part is sales (giving the customer what they want). I've seen some threads about people complaining how they can't ever hit the factory performance numbers(shifting and launching is the reason). Now it's easier than ever with launch control and a flapper. A good transmission now allows for better gearing in all situations (7spd 8spd) The 1-2 shift that often kills many 0-60 times is now not a factor with a good smg/dsg etc. 0-60 in under 4 seconds doesn't require as much HP and torque now b/c your first gear doesn't have to go up to 62mph.
If a manual transmission was the way to go, Pro race teams all over the world would be using them. they're not.
If a manual transmission was the way to go, Pro race teams all over the world would be using them. they're not.
04-09-2014, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by berny2435' timestamp='1397077919' post='23105395
I think part of and maybe even most of the reason behind so many cars going from manual to prodominantly auto, is for performance #s. Another part would be warranty, some of it might even be fuel economy, the other large part is sales (giving the customer what they want). I've seen some threads about people complaining how they can't ever hit the factory performance numbers(shifting and launching is the reason). Now it's easier than ever with launch control and a flapper. A good transmission now allows for better gearing in all situations (7spd 8spd) The 1-2 shift that often kills many 0-60 times is now not a factor with a good smg/dsg etc. 0-60 in under 4 seconds doesn't require as much HP and torque now b/c your first gear doesn't have to go up to 62mph.
If a manual transmission was the way to go, Pro race teams all over the world would be using them. they're not.
If a manual transmission was the way to go, Pro race teams all over the world would be using them. they're not.
04-09-2014, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by zdave87' timestamp='1397007062' post='23103999
[quote name='Scot' timestamp='1396987170' post='23103503']
Since GTR's, Ferrari, Lambo and some other big names are going all dual clutch...... is it possible to take a 458 Ferrari and swap trannys out for a 6 speed manual and add the clutch pedal? I remember someone in my high school doing that to a SAAB and I am sure other people have too.... how much would it cost? what tranny would work.... is there somewhere that already does this?
I cannot imagine driving a F458 with stupid paddle shifters.....
Just tosh'in it out there...
Since GTR's, Ferrari, Lambo and some other big names are going all dual clutch...... is it possible to take a 458 Ferrari and swap trannys out for a 6 speed manual and add the clutch pedal? I remember someone in my high school doing that to a SAAB and I am sure other people have too.... how much would it cost? what tranny would work.... is there somewhere that already does this?
I cannot imagine driving a F458 with stupid paddle shifters.....
Just tosh'in it out there...
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Why would you want to bring old tech into a new 2014/15 car? You want to carb that engine as well? How about an AM radio as well?
04-09-2014, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by berny2435' timestamp='1397077919' post='23105395
I think part of and maybe even most of the reason behind so many cars going from manual to prodominantly auto, is for performance #s. Another part would be warranty, some of it might even be fuel economy, the other large part is sales (giving the customer what they want). I've seen some threads about people complaining how they can't ever hit the factory performance numbers(shifting and launching is the reason). Now it's easier than ever with launch control and a flapper. A good transmission now allows for better gearing in all situations (7spd 8spd) The 1-2 shift that often kills many 0-60 times is now not a factor with a good smg/dsg etc. 0-60 in under 4 seconds doesn't require as much HP and torque now b/c your first gear doesn't have to go up to 62mph.
If a manual transmission was the way to go, Pro race teams all over the world would be using them. they're not.
If a manual transmission was the way to go, Pro race teams all over the world would be using them. they're not.
Some people like you and I want the manual. more fun
Some people are showman. It's there 3rd car, cruiser. Not needed. They can swallow the pride b/c they have mutliple nice cars and romp a sub 4 second 0-60 time and time again while drinking a coke.
some people just have to be faster than the next guy. The SMG allows that in certain situations. Many serious drag racers that go to the strip will swap out manuals for autos.
I've talked to groups of guys that had vipers with superchargers and turbo chargers. How'd they get there? they just had to be faster than everyone else. Pretty sure people have purchased the GTR just bc they are now the fastest of all their buddies without even trying.. .