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Old 08-09-2007, 07:49 PM
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Cars run as well as how you take care of them... most of the time. Lexus has their share of problems, and as they get more advance and reach higher to appease their demanding clientele, they'll eventually run into the same problems as BMW and Mercedes. Back in the early 90s, Lexus was selling rebadged (and very vanilla technologically) camrys and avalons and therefore weren't prone to problems. Now they park themselves.
Anyway, JD Power and Associates also said that the Hyundai has tied Lexus in initial quality too, so put that in your pipe and smoke it, lol. Nah, Hyundais are loads better to the point that they're actually a legit competitor now.
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Originally Posted by frank b,Aug 9 2007, 03:55 AM
This is soley based on responses from owners. Forgive me, but I have a feeling that many Buick owners don't even know where they are, let alone if there's something wrong with their car.
Also, less Buick owners = less complaints
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Originally Posted by Lice Locket,Aug 9 2007, 11:51 PM
Also, less Buick owners = less complaints
Its problems reported per 100 vehicles, so that doesn't work.
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Originally Posted by Saki GT,Aug 9 2007, 05:45 AM
Wait a minute, since when are kids buying Lexuses? You guys make it sound like old people don't buy fancy Toyotas, only Buicks. Fact is, Lexus and Buick have pretty much the same demographic, and GM via Bob Lutz are on the upswing with product design and competitiveness in the market. Buick is aggressively targeting the younger (40s) crowd where Lexus is too with its new product, which by the way is pretty good.
The average age of a new Lexus IS gen 1 owner was 29 years old. This is phenomenally low. Most *new* cars are purchased on average by older drivers because they can afford them. You will find that cars like Accords and Civics actually have *average* buyer ages in the 40
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Using the one car only example, imagine how young Acura buyers are if we just used the Integra as our sample!
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Originally Posted by Lice Locket,Aug 9 2007, 07:51 PM
Also, less Buick owners = less complaints
I'm sure you can back that claim...
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Originally Posted by rockville,Aug 9 2007, 09:27 PM
Using the one car only example, imagine how young Acura buyers are if we just used the Integra as our sample!
True, the average age of a new Acura Integra was probably 45 years old.
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Originally Posted by Saki GT,Aug 9 2007, 08:41 PM
Its problems reported per 100 vehicles, so that doesn't work.
Uh ok. Less owners = higher rate of error
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I think the key to this is the wording: 'reported problems' - The average Buick owner age is probably around 60 years old, and they most likely average about 6k miles a year (just like my Uncle and his Buick). So after 3 years and 18k miles the typical Buick owner 'reports' few problems. For one thing the car only has 18k miles where other cars might have around 40k and since the typical Buick owner is fairly old and remembers when cars needed tuneups every 12-15k miles, and tires lasted 20k miles and oil changes dare not go beyond 3k miles. The new Buick seems like it has very few problems since they spend far less time at the dealership for maintenance, and hence seems like fewer problems.
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Originally Posted by 6speed8,Aug 10 2007, 04:25 AM
I think the key to this is the wording: 'reported problems' - The average Buick owner age is probably around 60 years old, and they most likely average about 6k miles a year (just like my Uncle and his Buick). So after 3 years and 18k miles the typical Buick owner 'reports' few problems. For one thing the car only has 18k miles where other cars might have around 40k and since the typical Buick owner is fairly old and remembers when cars needed tuneups every 12-15k miles, and tires lasted 20k miles and oil changes dare not go beyond 3k miles. The new Buick seems like it has very few problems since they spend far less time at the dealership for maintenance, and hence seems like fewer problems.
You might be suppressed, I bet its in the 60's for Buicks!

Remember Cadillac before it rev'ed up its line about 5+ years ago? They brought out the new younger version of cars for a reason. The average age of a caddy owner was 79 years old.


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