BMW M2
04-12-2016, 05:23 PM
#61
Originally Posted by vader1' timestamp='1460476062' post='23935752
[quote name='Chris Stack' timestamp='1460475451' post='23935731']
[quote name='CosmosMpower' timestamp='1460475064' post='23935720']
I'm in the same camp where I wouldn't buy a Camaro SS if it was 15K new, it's ugly and has no class at all.
[quote name='CosmosMpower' timestamp='1460475064' post='23935720']
I'm in the same camp where I wouldn't buy a Camaro SS if it was 15K new, it's ugly and has no class at all.
The goofy-ass colors BMW picked for the M3/4 don't help but I personally would not use the word "classless" in the right color. Easter egg blue and metallic snot are not my favorite colors from BMW.
But I am perfectly willing to admit, I am a damn yuppie. I like euro styling, and can even appreciate Caddys. But anything that goes for the "That thing got a Hemi" image from those commercials with the toothless burger flippers I want nothing to do with. Same as I want nothing to do with anything that looks like it stepped out of a Fast and Furious movie.
That may sound snobby, but I work hard for my money as much as the next guy and if I am going to plunk down forty, fifty or sixty thousand for a car, I don't want the one littering trailer parks three years down the road or the one on the "most likely to be repossessed" list.
Funny thing is, I used to be a Japanese car only guy because of the solid product they make. It is now so boring, and has been for so long I won't even walk into a show room.
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HAHAHAHAHA. I don't fully agree (I don't fully disagree), but that was damned funny.
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I agree with him. There isn't a Japense car I wan't to buy. German doesn't interest me. I just bought my first domestic recently and I'm fairly impressed.
You can bash on the Camaro interior but it's not longer worlds apart. The BMW is nicer, but even the reviewers are starting to notice BMW isn't THAT FAR above the competitors anymore. I'm not a GM fan, you all know that, but I'd buy the Camaro over the M series cars.
As for all those yoga pants in BMWs. Girl at the gym was asked if that was her van out front she replied "uhh, No! I drive a BMW" and points to it. You see for the average BMW owner the brand is what they're buying. How do I know this? BMW keeps building softer and more watered down cars, yet keeps selling cars. The average person buying their 80-100k cars isn't buying it for driving pleasure. The average 3 series person is buying the cheapest BMW they can get. Most lease because they drop in value like a stone and don't last....
For me it's more about finding what's special. That new GT350 is special and if it had another badge on the car would be twice the price.
04-13-2016, 06:38 AM
#62
Originally Posted by JonBoy' timestamp='1460493325' post='23936142
M3 is built on a 3-Series platform. It's the "same car" the way a Camaro SS and a Camaro 1LT are the same car - same platform, different drivetrain, different suspension, a few other performance upgrades. It's a performance variant of the 3-Series. The Camaro 2SS is a performance variant of the Camaro, and the Z/28 is a higher performance variant.
Same platform, different internals.
Same platform, different internals.
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx
But you've ultimately agreed with my point listed - same chassis, different drivetrain, different suspension. The wheelbase is effectively the same (0.7" - wow!) and the bodywork is changed, which gives a difference in length. It's not like they lengthened the actual chassis...
Whoopdy doo. It's the same damn car, for all intents and purposes. It's just been "upgraded". You're still working off the base 3-Series "goodness" (or lack thereof) to make a better car.
Guess what? A Camaro Z/28 has similar differences you've mentioned, when compared with a "common" V6 Camaro. Different suspension, different engine, wider, lower, etc.
Same plank. Different motivation.
04-13-2016, 06:50 AM
#63
Cosmos, I feel you're being disingenuous about the M3 being a different car. All of the changes in wheelbase and height and all that are attributable to the easily exchangeable parts that make an M car and M car. You can swap the suspension over from the M3 to a regular 3 series and viola you've got the same wheelbase.
I mean, the C7 Z06 has a different track than the base C7, but that doesn't say anything about it being fundamentally different.
I mean, the C7 Z06 has a different track than the base C7, but that doesn't say anything about it being fundamentally different.
04-13-2016, 07:49 AM
#64
Cosmos, I feel you're being disingenuous about the M3 being a different car. All of the changes in wheelbase and height and all that are attributable to the easily exchangeable parts that make an M car and M car. You can swap the suspension over from the M3 to a regular 3 series and viola you've got the same wheelbase.
I mean, the C7 Z06 has a different track than the base C7, but that doesn't say anything about it being fundamentally different.
I mean, the C7 Z06 has a different track than the base C7, but that doesn't say anything about it being fundamentally different.
I'd also say that the base Camaro drives nothing like SS
04-13-2016, 07:50 AM
#65
It's not about how it drives - it's about the basis for the car.
Of course they don't drive the same - no one would expect them to.
Of course they don't drive the same - no one would expect them to.
04-13-2016, 12:48 PM
#66
Right. I'm saying that they are "the same car" enough that all of the supposed differences that Cosmos is pointing to are attributable to the stuff that's swappable between the two. Not that it's as simple as changing out some control arms.
We're not talking about a Civic vs. an S2000, here. It's more like a base 911 compared to a 911 GT3. Despite their differences, it's silly to that a regular 911 is somehow a totally different car than a 911 GT3.
We're not talking about a Civic vs. an S2000, here. It's more like a base 911 compared to a 911 GT3. Despite their differences, it's silly to that a regular 911 is somehow a totally different car than a 911 GT3.
04-13-2016, 12:51 PM
#67
Thread Starter
Agree with all your statements regarding Japanese cars... I use to only purchase Japanese cars however their line up leaves much to be desired.
German and Domestic cars are all the rage these days.
German and Domestic cars are all the rage these days.
04-14-2016, 04:16 AM
#68
Moderator
Does anybody actually buy a BMW any more?
04-14-2016, 05:25 AM
#69
Originally Posted by blueprint' timestamp='1460495116' post='23936177
Most people also are not keeping their cars very long these days... Especially BMW/MB owners.
Does anybody actually buy a BMW any more?
04-14-2016, 05:27 AM
#70
Right. I'm saying that they are "the same car" enough that all of the supposed differences that Cosmos is pointing to are attributable to the stuff that's swappable between the two. Not that it's as simple as changing out some control arms.
We're not talking about a Civic vs. an S2000, here. It's more like a base 911 compared to a 911 GT3. Despite their differences, it's silly to that a regular 911 is somehow a totally different car than a 911 GT3.
We're not talking about a Civic vs. an S2000, here. It's more like a base 911 compared to a 911 GT3. Despite their differences, it's silly to that a regular 911 is somehow a totally different car than a 911 GT3.