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04-12-2016, 08:43 AM
#41
You think interior styling, build quality and materials of a Camaro SS is even close to the same league as a M3? Performance wise sure the Camaro is impressive for the price but I don't know about you but 99% of the time I'm not driving my cars balls out. I'm in the same camp where I wouldn't buy a Camaro SS if it was 15K new, it's ugly and has no class at all.
You should at least test drive a 2SS '16 Camaro before talking more crap about it. The interior is dramatically better than it used to be and it has all the chassis, brakes, engine, transmission, and hardware to be a legitimate sports car. It will take a while to lose the muscle car/no sophisticated stigma, but the car delivers now for sure. I've NEVER been a Camaro fan until this past weekend when I drove the '16 Camaro SS. It's the total package now with a few minor shortcomings. I'm not the only one that thinks that way. Read all the articles on it. Motor Trend Car of the Year, C&D, R&T, all have glowing reviews.
Again, I don't expect you to like it, but I wouldn't be so quick to dimiss it because of it's history of a cheapo muscle car. Times can and have changed.
04-12-2016, 10:18 AM
#42
Originally Posted by CosmosMpower' timestamp='1460475064' post='23935720
You think interior styling, build quality and materials of a Camaro SS is even close to the same league as a M3? Performance wise sure the Camaro is impressive for the price but I don't know about you but 99% of the time I'm not driving my cars balls out. I'm in the same camp where I wouldn't buy a Camaro SS if it was 15K new, it's ugly and has no class at all.
You should at least test drive a 2SS '16 Camaro before talking more crap about it. The interior is dramatically better than it used to be and it has all the chassis, brakes, engine, transmission, and hardware to be a legitimate sports car. It will take a while to lose the muscle car/no sophisticated stigma, but the car delivers now for sure. I've NEVER been a Camaro fan until this past weekend when I drove the '16 Camaro SS. It's the total package now with a few minor shortcomings. I'm not the only one that thinks that way. Read all the articles on it. Motor Trend Car of the Year, C&D, R&T, all have glowing reviews.
Again, I don't expect you to like it, but I wouldn't be so quick to dimiss it because of it's history of a cheapo muscle car. Times can and have changed.
The interior looks like a panel of 3rd graders came up with the design. The nav integration is awful and looks like one of those bullet proof cases you put an ipad in for a child to use. The seats are garish and look cheap, steering wheel is an odd shape, the HVAC vents placement is strange and the look is over the top like it's from star trek. It's come a long way just like the Corvette interior has but it's still not top notch which is strange because the ATS-V interior is pretty good. Bottom line, if the car was as good as a BMW/AMG in every way GM would be able to charge 75K for it but they can't. It's based on a car whose base trim is used for enterprise rental cars. It's why the ATS-V not the Camaro SS is the real main competitor to the M3/M4.
04-12-2016, 10:48 AM
#45
04-12-2016, 10:50 AM
#46
Go look at a Camaro in person - it looks and feels a lot better than that bad picture. You chose a BMW photo from a studio shot and compared it to a Camaro one that was poorly done.
There's no disputing the BMW one looks better (in my opinion) but the Camaro looks and feels a lot better than you'd expect. It's nearly as good as the Vette, which is a perfectly decent interior and easily comparable (in my opinion) to the BMW ones. The BMW ones are minimalist, which works in many ways, but they're not built amazingly well or anything.
After all, the M3/4 is based off the 3/4-Series, which starts at $33K. That's...(wait for it)... a whopping (
) $3K more than the Camaro 2LT base model with leather.
There's no disputing the BMW one looks better (in my opinion) but the Camaro looks and feels a lot better than you'd expect. It's nearly as good as the Vette, which is a perfectly decent interior and easily comparable (in my opinion) to the BMW ones. The BMW ones are minimalist, which works in many ways, but they're not built amazingly well or anything.
After all, the M3/4 is based off the 3/4-Series, which starts at $33K. That's...(wait for it)... a whopping (
) $3K more than the Camaro 2LT base model with leather.
04-12-2016, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by King Tut' timestamp='1460486575' post='23936033
[quote name='Vboy127' timestamp='1460485587' post='23936019']
Hopefully that crooked driver seat issue brought up in the MT review was just a fluke.
Hopefully that crooked driver seat issue brought up in the MT review was just a fluke.
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They probably do it in the M3 too. I know my seat isn't perfectly centered in my BMW E30 either, haha.
04-12-2016, 12:11 PM
#48
Go look at a Camaro in person - it looks and feels a lot better than that bad picture. You chose a BMW photo from a studio shot and compared it to a Camaro one that was poorly done.
There's no disputing the BMW one looks better (in my opinion) but the Camaro looks and feels a lot better than you'd expect. It's nearly as good as the Vette, which is a perfectly decent interior and easily comparable (in my opinion) to the BMW ones. The BMW ones are minimalist, which works in many ways, but they're not built amazingly well or anything.
After all, the M3/4 is based off the 3/4-Series, which starts at $33K. That's...(wait for it)... a whopping ( ) $3K more than the Camaro 2LT base model with leather.
There's no disputing the BMW one looks better (in my opinion) but the Camaro looks and feels a lot better than you'd expect. It's nearly as good as the Vette, which is a perfectly decent interior and easily comparable (in my opinion) to the BMW ones. The BMW ones are minimalist, which works in many ways, but they're not built amazingly well or anything.
After all, the M3/4 is based off the 3/4-Series, which starts at $33K. That's...(wait for it)... a whopping (
) $3K more than the Camaro 2LT base model with leather.
04-12-2016, 12:12 PM
#49
Originally Posted by CosmosMpower' timestamp='1460486908' post='23936039
[quote name='King Tut' timestamp='1460486575' post='23936033']
[quote name='Vboy127' timestamp='1460485587' post='23936019']
Hopefully that crooked driver seat issue brought up in the MT review was just a fluke.
[quote name='Vboy127' timestamp='1460485587' post='23936019']
Hopefully that crooked driver seat issue brought up in the MT review was just a fluke.
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They probably do it in the M3 too. I know my seat isn't perfectly centered in my BMW E30 either, haha.
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It's straight as far as I can tell in my 2016 M3. I've driven a M235i and I would have never noticed the seat at all.
04-12-2016, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by JonBoy' timestamp='1460487012' post='23936042
Go look at a Camaro in person - it looks and feels a lot better than that bad picture. You chose a BMW photo from a studio shot and compared it to a Camaro one that was poorly done.
There's no disputing the BMW one looks better (in my opinion) but the Camaro looks and feels a lot better than you'd expect. It's nearly as good as the Vette, which is a perfectly decent interior and easily comparable (in my opinion) to the BMW ones. The BMW ones are minimalist, which works in many ways, but they're not built amazingly well or anything.
After all, the M3/4 is based off the 3/4-Series, which starts at $33K. That's...(wait for it)... a whopping ( ) $3K more than the Camaro 2LT base model with leather.
There's no disputing the BMW one looks better (in my opinion) but the Camaro looks and feels a lot better than you'd expect. It's nearly as good as the Vette, which is a perfectly decent interior and easily comparable (in my opinion) to the BMW ones. The BMW ones are minimalist, which works in many ways, but they're not built amazingly well or anything.
After all, the M3/4 is based off the 3/4-Series, which starts at $33K. That's...(wait for it)... a whopping (
) $3K more than the Camaro 2LT base model with leather.